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== Why not part Dragon? ==

I think it's best to bring it up here, where the issue would be relevant, than elsewhere. We all know Gyarados is Water/Flying, and that Dragon was a type in Generation I. However, I read somewhere (I forget where exactly) that there were only 13 types in the original Red and Green, and that Ice and Dragon were added in Blue. Of course, I theorize that any Ice Pokémon were Water, since that's what they use in the TCG, and that any Dragon Pokémon were Normal. Since the Base Set came out only ten days after Blue was released in Japan, it would make some sense.

After all, look at how many Pokémon from Gen I are Ice only. None. There are several Water/Ice (which I think was because the type was added as an afterthought), and Articuno's the only one where missing the Ice-type would really matter (since there's NEVER a pure Flying-type). Heck, if Articuno was originally Water/Flying (which I suspect), both the beasts and birds would be the same types. The Dratini family were the only Dragon-types, so they could have used Normal instead.

But I do suppose that they wanted Gyarados to have at least something different from Magikarp in Red/Green (if the "Ice and Dragon came later" story is true), so they gave it the Flying-type as its secondary type, and just never changed it because it would alter a lot (and maybe because Kingdra was already in the works). As for why Magnemite and Magneton got Steel? Eh, they're magnet-based. If they didn't get the Steel-type when it was introduced people would be thinking "wow, that was dumb". And they needed to give Jasmine more than just Steelix. Sure, there'd be Skarmory, Forretress, and Scizor otherwise, but jeez. Two are Bug, and one of those is evolved from something Bugsy has, and Skarmory's known to have been a good choice for a long time; they can't make the Gyms too hard.

...yeah. So if the thing I read was correct, to trivia with that tidbit. If it wasn't, well... I dunno. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 04:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:I always just figured it was because a Water/Dragon type would be too hard to beat with the sparse moves in Gen I. {{m|Dragon Rage}} was, like, the only Dragon move, and it only did 40 damage. So there'd be nothing super-effective against it. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Calling BS on that Ice/Dragon thing since this is the first I've ever heard of it. Seem like something too significant to just be that unknown. edit: Also it would make link battles between Blue and Red/Green probably incompatible, sooo...--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 08:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... yeah, never thought about that, since those types came with their own weaknesses which are different than Water's and Normal's. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 03:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::How about Lorelia in Elite Four? If Ice was introduced in blue, what was she then? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I think Gyarados should evolve from Magikarp when its happiness is low. I know they didn't have Happiness then, but they could change it now...
::I don't really like the idea. Magikarp is nearly impossible to train, due to the fact it sucks. Happiness would make it even harder to evolve. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Nor do I, evolution ''increases'' a Pokémon's happiness. [[User:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''TESHIGIGAS'''</span>]] 21:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I think its inaccurate to say they never learn any Flying moves, I'm pretty sure I recall using my Gyarados for Fly in the original Red back in the day. Also, while the entire arguement is stupid because none of us had anything to do with actually making the game or Gyarados, it is my opinion that it is not Dragon type because it would be fairly unbalancing. Gyarados is an incredibly powerful Pokemon and has been in my main line up in every game, it is also very easy to get, get a Magikarp and level it up, on the other hand I recall spending quite alot of time trying to catch a Dratini in the Safari Zone, that was around level 15 as I recall, and then I had to level it up alot to even make it useful to me. Even a Dragonair's stat's are pitiful compared to a Gyarados, training up 40 levels just to make something useful to me when I could be training things already useful is annoying. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 11:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
: Also consider that there were very few Dragons in the original games, 3, all in the same family, Dratini, Dragonair and Dragonite. They obviously wanted to make them very rare and unique. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 12:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:: You definitely didn't use Gyarados for Fly, short of gamesharking your original game... [[User:Gastly&#39;s mama|Gastly&#39;s mama]] 18:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== "Gyarados is one of eight non bug, flying-type pokémon that can't learn Fly." ==

It would be nice if that fact also included the other seven. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:Gyarados, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Gligar, Gliscor, Mantine and Mantyke (counting Shaymin's Sky Forme might add another one if it turns out it can't learn it, though it is likely it will be able to). Don't know if it's worth adding though, would have to be added to all the mentioned Pokémon, and might be unnecessary information.--[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 12:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
It's worth a try, if you want the golden Mudkip enough. [[User:Pikawitchu|Pikawitchu]] 15:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== When did Gyarados become a common pokemon? ==

After playing through the sinnoh generation games, I noticed that gyarados started to appear more often as the game went on. In fact, pretty much any trainer with a fishing rod had a gyarados on their team. There are 29 gyarados in the game owned by trainers as far as I counted including the routes, victory road, and gyms. In past games, gyarados was a power house (and still is), but you would only battle one when fighting the elite four or strong trainers on victory road. It just seems strange that one of the strongest Pokémon in the games became so common with trainers. Route 213 has a total of 5 gyarados you have to battle. What happened? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 18:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111 
:I could have sworn I have fought a fisherman or someone swimming in a water route that has a Gyarados in Ruby or Emerald. Yes, Gyarados is indeed strong, but don't forget that Magikarp is a very common Pokémon and will evolve at a low level (20 to be exact) so there is no surprise to be that several trainers have it. Besides, {{m|thunder}} can beat it easily. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC) 
: i mean i know there were other trainers in the game with gyarados, but it just seems that in the diamond and pearl games, a lot more trainers have a gyarados in their party than in previous games[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 23:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
::Well, Gyarados is still easy to defeat with {{m|thunder}}. Yeah, D/P is supposed to be harder than the previous games. In the hoenn games the trainers in Victory Road only had the first evolution in the Alakzam evolutionary line. But trainers actually had the evolved forms of all the Pokémon that evolve via trading without the aid of an item. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Snorlax Sprite? ==

Why is there a Snorlax sprite with the Gyarados sprites? It should be removed {{unsigned|Posidon09}}
:You're right it should be. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Fixed. Sign your comments on talk pages pls. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|<sub><span style="background:#D55208"><span style="color:#FFFFFD">s.</span></span></sub>]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|<span style="background:#F4DA8E"><span style="color:#E57E4C;">'''Combusken'''</span></span>]] 22:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I usually sign, don't understand why I forgot this time... [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== Difference? ==

In the game, is there a SINGLE way to differentiate the male and female Gyarados? No, I don't think so. (Other than the male and female symbol) So what is the use of putting in the article "The female has white barbells"?
[[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 01:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

It's the WHISKERS--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c40a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 01:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I think this guy does not own one of the Gen IV games, when female and male differences became apparent. [[User:Hellkaiserryo12|Hellkaiserryo12]] 13:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

== did I miss something ==
why does it say this ''In Generation II, it became the first and only shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot, along with being the only 100% certain shiny encounter''
becos in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon  2 a pokemon was shiny. [[user:GoldsWigglytuff  ]]
:That was written before MD2 was released. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 21:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


== The only shiny... ==

This article claims that in Generation II, Gyarados "became the first of only two shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot". What is the other? If it is referring to the news report at the start of DPPt, isn't that referring to the same Gyarados? I apologise if this is not what it is referring to, as I have not played Platinum or any non-main series games. If my theory is not the case, perhaps this page should link to or indicate what the other pokemon is. For example: "it became the first of only two shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot, the other is X"[[User:Gastly&#39;s mama|Gastly&#39;s mama]] 13:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe it's another Gyarados... After all, the Gen 2 was in Johto and the Gen 4 was in Sinnoh. If it's another Pokémon then I agree that it should be linked.--'''[[User:Diby|<span style="color:#6890F0;">D</span><span style="color:#F08030;">i</span>]][[User talk:Diby|<span style="color:#78C850;">b</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|<span style="color:#F8D030;">y</span>]]''' 13:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::Shiny Celebi in Mystery Dungeon 2. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 13:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Read the section ''right above this one''. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 14:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Haha, my bad, sorry. This page should probably say something like "the other one was Celebi in Mystery Dungeon 2" or words to that effect. [[User:Gastly&#39;s mama|Gastly&#39;s mama]] 15:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Gyarados ATK ==

Should we add that Gyarados has the Highest ATK Stat of all the Water Type Pokemon? [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 20:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:No it doesn't. {{p|Kingler}} does. [[User:Chocolate|<font color="6D351A">Chocolate</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Chocolate|<font color="6D351A">Chat with Me</font>]])</small> 20:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::Then Gyarados has the Second highest ATK Of all The Water type Pokemon only surpassed by Kingler [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 20:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:::True, but that's really not too notable. [[User:Chocolate|<font color="6D351A">Chocolate</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Chocolate|<font color="6D351A">Chat with Me</font>]])</small> 20:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Has any body else noticed this? ==

I don't know how, but I was fishing in [[Fuchsia City]] hoping to catch a {{p|Psyduck}} when I encountered and caught a lv. 16 Gyarados (I swear to {{p|Arceus}} that I didn't cheat)! Is this normal? has anyone else found an under-aged Gyarados? [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] <small>(and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)</small>! 23:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

:It's normal. [[User:0 Degrees|<font color="98D8D8">0</font>]][[User talk:0 Degrees|<font color="98D8D8">°</font>]] 23:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


== Red Gyarados in D/P ==

This page previously stated that the Red Gyarados in GSC was mentioned at the beginning of DP. This isn't necessarily true, however, because you can find Red Gyaradoses any time, it doesn't necessarily mean it was the same one from GSC. It is shiny after all, so it could have been found in Lake Verity for all we know. {{unsigned|Edge578}}
:It's meant to be an assumption and connection to Gen II. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 17:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== Water/Dragon? ==

In the trivia, someone noted that Gyarados was probably going to be Water/Dragon typed. This, however, is likely speculation.--<span style="border: 1px solid">[[User:GreenGyarados|<span style="color:#00FF00">''Green''</span>]][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|<span style="color:#0BDA51">ギャラ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/GreenGyarados|<span style="color:#00CCCC">ドス</span>]]</span> 03:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)