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They call it "Gracidea Garden" in the movie, not just "Gracidea" since it's the name of the flower (Brock calls it "Flower Garden"). The page should be renamed. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 06:34, 27 December 2016 (UTC) | They call it "Gracidea Garden" in the movie, not just "Gracidea" since it's the name of the flower (Brock calls it "Flower Garden"). The page should be renamed. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 06:34, 27 December 2016 (UTC) | ||
:I support a move as well. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:39, 26 September 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Is that necessary? == | == Is that necessary? == | ||
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:For info, this is the page for the "Gracidea Flower" on the Japanese wiki http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B7%E3%83%87%E3%82%A2%E3%81%AE%E3%81%AF%E3%81%AA The talk about the "Gracidea Flower Garden" (グラシデアの花畑), but there's no page for any "Gracidea" region there. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 20:31, 15 January 2017 (UTC) | :For info, this is the page for the "Gracidea Flower" on the Japanese wiki http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B7%E3%83%87%E3%82%A2%E3%81%AE%E3%81%AF%E3%81%AA The talk about the "Gracidea Flower Garden" (グラシデアの花畑), but there's no page for any "Gracidea" region there. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 20:31, 15 January 2017 (UTC) | ||
::Per the definition of "region" in the Pokémon world, Gracidea is never called a region. It is, however, a location in the Sinnoh region, and I believe it is not made clear whether Gracidea is the name of the garden, or if it is called that because it is a garden where Gracidea flowers grow. That said, calling it the Gracidea Garden makes more sense, so I support the move. [[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 20:51, 15 January 2017 (UTC) | ::Per the definition of "region" in the Pokémon world, Gracidea is never called a region. It is, however, a location in the Sinnoh region, and I believe it is not made clear whether Gracidea is the name of the garden, or if it is called that because it is a garden where Gracidea flowers grow. That said, calling it the Gracidea Garden makes more sense, so I support the move. [[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 20:51, 15 January 2017 (UTC) | ||
:Thanks! My point is that there's not place called "Gracidea" at all in the film or any Pokémon Media: see http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/pokemon-movies/pokemon-giratina-the-sky-warrior-2009 They talk about the Gracidea Garden, Flower Garden, Gracidea Flower Garden, Glacier, but no "Gracidea" place at all. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 22:28, 16 January 2017 (UTC) | :::Thanks! My point is that there's not place called "Gracidea" at all in the film or any Pokémon Media: see http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/pokemon-movies/pokemon-giratina-the-sky-warrior-2009 They talk about the Gracidea Garden, Flower Garden, Gracidea Flower Garden, Glacier, but no "Gracidea" place at all. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 22:28, 16 January 2017 (UTC) | ||
::::"Gracidea Flower Garden", however, could be construed to mean "the flower garden named Gracidea", "the garden where Gracidea flowers grow", "the place named Gracidea Flower Garden", or who knows what other interpretations. There's no evidence that I am aware of that the location is not called Gracidea--but no evidence that it is, either. | |||
::::Additionally, when indenting replies, please add one more : than the previous reply. It helps keep things lining up properly. [[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 22:56, 16 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:About their origin in event distribution: the film's Regigigas' OT was [[Ten'i Village]] (テンイむら) in Japanese version and Toy'sRUs in English, while Shaymin's OT is either the film (English and Japanese) or ToysRUs (English). [[List_of_local_Japanese_event_Pokémon_distributions_in_Generation_IV#Cinema Shaymin|Check here]]. Regigigas' village was given a name, while there's still no "Gracidea" place confirmed for Shaymin's origin. Which would imply Gracidea has always been the flower's name and nothing more. | |||
:Nothing in official Pokémon media confirm a specific place named "Gracidea", nor any reference to any "Gracidea" place is made. Now, if a "Gracidea" location page has to be kept on this wiki, the page should at least be renamed "Gracidea Garden" or "Gracidea Flower Garden" in order to be accurate. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 19:00, 18 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:I think it's okay for the move now, there's no opposition nor any source confirming the actual name. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 18:26, 5 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
::No opposition, I'll move the page. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 19:05, 28 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::Moves and similar propositions are to be decided by the {{bp|Editorial Board}}. You're welcome to ask someone on staff, but please do not presume to fulfill them yourself no matter the lack of dissent or whatever. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:11, 28 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::I'll leave this note here so it can easily be found when it may be needed: [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/pokemon-movies/pokemon-giratina-the-sky-warrior-2009 the Pokemon.com page for M11] says "Gracidea garden". | |||
::::Understand that the EB has not made a decision yet. This is unfortunately true for a number of pages on the wiki, but the EB will not simply forget about this page. It may take time, but I'd like to encourage patience. You'll survive. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC) | |||