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==Reacting Faster== | ==Reacting Faster== | ||
''In battle Giovanni kicks his Pokéballs, much like [[Crystal]], '''in order to be able to react faster.'''''<BR> | ''In battle Giovanni kicks his Pokéballs, much like [[Crystal]], '''in order to be able to react faster.'''''<BR> | ||
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== Red in relation to hair? == | == Red in relation to hair? == | ||
What was the debate? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | What was the debate? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
:A very good question, I've always wondered that... I mean, what else COULD it mean but that his kid's hair is red? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span> | :A very good question, I've always wondered that... I mean, what else COULD it mean but that his kid's hair is red? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 06:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
::I believe the debate was over what exactly qualifies as "red hair." After that clue was revealed there was a lot of speculation, reaching as far as [[Blue]] (Because the FRLG art of blue has that orange/brown kinda hair.) and [[Misty]], there was even minor speculation that [[Jessie]] could be the kid (this was short lived seeing as she is an Anime only character, [[Pokémon Yellow]] being the exception.) So from that branched the debate of what "red hair" is exactly. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 07:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC) | ::I believe the debate was over what exactly qualifies as "red hair." After that clue was revealed there was a lot of speculation, reaching as far as [[Blue]] (Because the FRLG art of blue has that orange/brown kinda hair.) and [[Misty]], there was even minor speculation that [[Jessie]] could be the kid (this was short lived seeing as she is an Anime only character, [[Pokémon Yellow]] being the exception.) So from that branched the debate of what "red hair" is exactly. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 07:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Look very good at this picture. <br /> | Look very good at this picture. <br /> | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Spr FRLG Giovanni.png|center]] <br /> | ||
He's holding a [[Master ball]]? | He's holding a [[Master ball]]? | ||
--[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 22:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC) | --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 22:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::Palette. The R on his jacket is also purple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC) | ::Palette. The R on his jacket is also purple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
So maybe it's just a normal poké ball in the shadows? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 14:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC) | So maybe it's just a normal poké ball in the shadows? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 14:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
:That's possible, but it looks more like a normal Poké Ball that is purple as the real Master Ball has two pink circles ([[File:SugimoriMasterBall.png]]). Isn't there a purple Poké Ball in the intro of "[[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]" (there is a picture close to the bottom of the page, can't post here for sizing reasons)? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC) - fixed code [[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Titles == | == Titles == | ||
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::The sections that are split should be renamed 'Giovanni (anime)' and 'Giovanni (Adventures)'. One of us should do this. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">PattyMan</span>]] 01:15, 2 November 2010 (UTC) | ::The sections that are split should be renamed 'Giovanni (anime)' and 'Giovanni (Adventures)'. One of us should do this. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">PattyMan</span>]] 01:15, 2 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Hold your horses just a bit. There needs to be some proper discussion on the matter first, not just two people agreeing, as was the case for Misty and Brock. For reference, this page is currently as big as Misty's was when it was split (in terms of bytes); roughly 51kB. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 01:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC) | :::Hold your horses just a bit. There needs to be some proper discussion on the matter first, not just two people agreeing, as was the case for Misty and Brock. For reference, this page is currently as big as Misty's was when it was split (in terms of bytes); roughly 51kB. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 01:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
::What happened when they got split? Also, put up the template on it's page that has the split thing (if there won't be any edit wars). [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">PattyMan</span>]] 01:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC) | ::::What happened when they got split? Also, put up the template on it's page that has the split thing (if there won't be any edit wars). [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">PattyMan</span>]] 01:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::There was a discussion on the Bulbawiki Forum. Ideally though, talk page should be used too. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 02:01, 2 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::Okay, so here are the main arguments I can see for splitting those sections off. Adventures: Major antagonist of the RGB chapter, helps Yellow out against Lance in the Yellow chapter, Major protagonist again in the FRLG chapter. Anime: Major antagonist of [[Mewtwo Returns]] and has regular cameo appearances (''not'' including the boss fantasies). For arguments against, it basically comes down to whether his roles in the different media are separate enough for individual pages. Please discuss. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 11:04, 13 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I support the split. I actually got the "page is too long" error back when I tried to edit in his English HGSS trainer class earlier this year, and given that he has now become a major antagonist in the anime again, I'd say there's plenty to split. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 02:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I also support it. If there is too much to be told about him, then why not split? --'''[[User:Netto-kun|<span style="color:#006">Netto-kun</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Netto-kun|<span style="color:#006">Talk</span>]]</sup> 22:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberum_Veto LIBERUM VETO!] --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 22:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::::What do you mean? --'''[[User:Netto-kun|<span style="color:#006">Netto-kun</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Netto-kun|<span style="color:#006">Talk</span>]]</sup> 22:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::'''Support''' - This is a huge page, and there is no reason not to split. <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 22:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I '''Support''' this too. He's becoming a major antagonist again, this could mean a lot of incoming info -'''[[User:Gengarzilla|I Liek Gengarz!]] <sub>[[User talk:Gengarzilla|Do Joo Liek Dem?]]</sub>''' 15:03, 27 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::I have already said "Liberum Veto". In Old Polish legislature, when someone shouted this during session, the postulate was automatically rejected and the matter couldn't be discussed anymore. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::That has nothing to do with this >_> [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 15:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I also agree that it should be split. The page seems to be stretching out a bit. --[[User:Lordrogersmith6485|Lordrogersmith6485]] 03:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I '''support''' this as well. He is a major player in ''Adventures'', and his role in the anime is really quite different, considering that the places and ways in which he has direct involvement are very unlike the games, as is most of his indirect involvement. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 19:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::::: I support this! bring out the mead! (<--- Idk) but yea Giovanni's been a major antagonist for a long time, then he died down, now he's coming back to being a major antagonist again. It seems like he should've had different articles long ago. so I say separate them and do your stuff people. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 15:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Error == | |||
In the Trivia section of this page, it says Giovanni is the only Kanto gym leader to not appear in every generation Kanto appeared in. I've never played a Generation 1 game, but on the [[Janine]] page there is no mention that she appeared in generation 1, and she was a Kanto gym leader. Does anybody know if that statement about Giovanni is true? --[[User:Jelloratbob|Jelloratbob]] 20:59, 26 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
:New comments to the bottom please. You're right, whoever added it forgot about Janine. I've removed the trivia point. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 01:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Anime == | |||
Just wondering, shouldn't Giovanni have his own page for his anime counterpart (especially since he's starting to appear more again in the Best Wishes series) ([[User:Matty19892009|Matty19892009]] 20:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)) | |||
: I agree he should. He's appeared countless times throughout the series, so he should get his own article. Especially if Best Wishes is bringing back his appearances. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 14:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::There is a disscution on this above guys, not tht it's going anywhere [[User:05308|<font color="blue">Diamond</font>]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|<font color="yellow">Lanturn</font>]] [[User talk:05308|<font color="red">CodeName: 05308</font>]] 14:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::: I saw that after I posted and I was like.... "wait what? Why aren't these together?" [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 14:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::He shouldn't. What the hell's up with all that splitting lately? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::Ok I'm getting to confuzzled trying to post here and in the other area, so I'm just gonna post here. That's your opinion Maxim, but Giovanni is becoming a major antagonist again. Why shouldn't he have his own article. More specifically, why do you think he shouldn't? [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 15:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::::Because it's still the same character. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::::The main reason why the move was suggested is because this page is HUGE and is straining the server [[User:05308|<font color="blue">Diamond</font>]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|<font color="yellow">Lanturn</font>]] [[User talk:05308|<font color="red">CodeName: 05308</font>]] 18:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Please stop making assumptions everyone. While huge pages ''aren't'' a large strain on the server, they are a problem for those with slower internet connections, and certain browser/OS combinations. As a result, some of them have requested that it be split. However for it to be split, it would have to be decided that the resultant articles would all be a) Notable in their own right and b) sufficiently different. Most of the admins I've spoken to believe that it currently fails those tests. If any section was split off, it would probably be the adventures section first - he has a greater role there than in the anime. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 01:38, 23 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::::::: Well I personally disagree with the idea that the anime article wouldn't be notable in its own right, but unfortunately I'm not an admin so I can't do anything but say "Whatever". So.... whatever. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 07:23, 23 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::I agree to have the anime section have it's own page. That way the page would be able to talk more Team Rocket sort than just being a ground type Gym leader. --<small>[[User:Lilkaykaygal|<span style="color:pink ">KayKay</span>]]</small>|<small>[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|<span style="color:purple">Chat to me!</span>]]</small> 00:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::But he is a Team Rocket leader in the games too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::Now that I'm looking at the page, it's very long. I would not only suggest moving the anime section, but also the manga section. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
I also agree that the manga section can be split off especially since he has played an important role in three different chapters. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 05:42, 12 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Same VA? == | |||
I don't know if anyone was paying much attention to the English dub of the Best Wishes series, but Giovanni's voice really sounds different from when he was last in the anime. It's sort of an off-English accent. –'''[[User:MasterKenobi|<span style="color:#000">Master</span>]][[User talk:MasterKenobi|<span style="color:#0000CC">Kenobi</span>]]''' 18:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Error == | |||
"In Pokémon Adventures, Giovanni is the only evil team leader who is still alive after his exploits. | |||
However, characters may not consider Pryce, Maxie, Archie, or Cyrus to be dead, since they were last seen disappearing into Time and Space." | |||
I think you are forgetting the fact that Archie admitted killing Maxie during the Emerald saga, unless you mean "immediately death".[[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 17:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
:That thing shouldn't even be there in the first place. The manga section isn't that well monitored, actually. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
== gen 5 == | |||
because giovanni has been confermed for black 2 and white 2's world tourniment. should we add gen 5 to his list of generations --[[User:Themudkipman|Themudkipman]] 18:30, 14 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
== In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga == | |||
He has a seperate page for this, so can someone take it of this one? [[User:05308|<font color="blue">Diamond</font>]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|<font color="yellow">Lanturn</font>]] [[User talk:05308|<font color="red">CodeName: 05308</font>]] 20:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
:The incomplete tag needs to be taken down too. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 21:38, 25 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Trivia fact == | |||
I thought of a good trivia fact. | |||
'''Giovanni is the only Gym Leader who is also a boss of a villianous organization.''' | |||
[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 00:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
:I actually think this trivia is pretty weak. We might as well add to Koga's page "Koga is the only Gym Leader who is a ninja". It's just too...specific. I mean, there's really no reason why there SHOULD be more than one Gym Leader who's also the boss of a villainous organization. As a result, I've decided to remove the trivia, though if someone disagrees it can always be re-added, of course. [[User:Brock Kent|Brock Kent]] ([[User talk:Brock Kent|talk]]) 03:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC) | |||