Talk:Gender

Gender Based Evolutions

Thanks for making Gender Based Evolutions more detailed, Fabu-Vinny! I thought it was important, but I couldn't seem to describe it well. --Cai 06:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

First mention?

Of differences between genders. Rustboro Pokemon (Lazy again) Center, male kid on the left. Trivia? It's the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links10:09 7 Jun 2008

"Just like people, there are male and female POKéMON. But no one seems to have any idea how they're different."

That seems more of an explanation for why the world's inhabitants don't know how breeding works... --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 10:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Seems to point the fact that before Gen IV there were no differences between genders, or maybe no one in the Pokémon world knows any of biology. hfc2X 00:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Larvitar

I'm pretty sure Larvitar is a female-only pokemon.- unsigned comment from Retasulettuce (talk • contribs)

Uh, you're wrong. No offense.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Gender or Sex

Gender is not the same thing as sex. A gender implies identification with people of a certain sex, but not necessarily being that physical sex. The Pokémon here are physically of a certain sex or not, as are the male or female trainers. Thus, this page is discriminatory against transgendered individuals. If the game ever uses the word "gender", then this page shouldn't be moved. However, otherwise, it should be moved to "Sex". I know that some people have a irksome avoidance of usage of the terminology due to its other meanings, but in this case it is at the point of being discriminatory. If the games do actually use "Gender" in their own terminology, then it should be mentioned that when Pokémon says "Gender" it actually means "Sex", just like "Evolution" in Pokémon is a misnomer and is more related to concepts such as "Metamorphism". Satosuke 22:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

You scientists and your wacky terminoligies... anyway, I'm 98% sure in-game it's referred to as gender. Besides, "genderless" sounds better than "sexless" Gligar 22:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Because Ditto's anything but. The game uses "gender" in the Gender unknown Egg Group in Stadium 2. TTEchidna 22:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

They also use "gender" in the Diamond & Pearl game guide by Nintendo Power:

"When two Pokémon of opposite genders are left at the Pokémon Day Care at Solaceon Town, they may produce an Egg."- Kogoro | Talk to me | 22:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

No one seems to have noticed the joke I made about Ditto... TTEchidna 22:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was hilarious. Nearly laughed out loud-RexRacer -talk 22:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I never actually understood Ditto... It is supposed to morph into the Pokémon it's using Transform on, so why does it somehow become the opposite gender to the other Pokémon you left with it... Shouldn't it become an exact copy of the Pokémon you left with it? - Kogoro | Talk to me | 22:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure we have better to do than talk about Pokémon.... intercourse. I can honestly see why this problem arose, and I have honestly wondered this myself. And that does make sense, why DOES Ditto become opposite gender? Rawr I say! 23:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

In battle does it copy genders?--RexRacer -talk 23:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

So far, it hasn't shown to gain a gender in battle (This could be due to a technical limitation, or the developers not thinking that players would even notice) However if it's making an exact physical copy of the Pokémon that Trasform is used on, it should logically also copy gender (or at the very least, the physical traits of gender) Anyhoo, we should probably take this to the forums since I think we're going a little past the actual subject at hand. - Kogoro | Talk to me | 23:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Or at the very least, Ditto's page.... Rawr I say! 23:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

So the games actually use the misnomer. Alright. Then a move isn't necessary. However, somewhere either near the top of the article, in a section "In relation to the real world" - as in the Evolution article, or in the trivia (least appropriate location of the three) it should mention that gender in Pokémon is really more akin to the real-world definition of sex (not sexual intercourse, but the biological quality of an individual). It's not just science - and it's not about pigeon-holing either - it's about not being discriminatory. I have transgendered friends. I know transexual individuals as well. They're different, and they prefer to be identified correctly, rather than being lumped together. It's like how we could say that that Dawn's Buneary is female, but it could actually be the other sex, and just identify with the female gender (note this is different than a suggestion that it is homosexual in liking Pikachu). Satosuke 23:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Look, the reason the games use the word "gender" is because it is a commonly accepted euphimism for biological "sex". Sean... Lord of the Shadows!!! 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Gender Counterparts

Alright, I keep seeing the argument about Tauros/Miltank connection, but people keep using other examples, specificly Nidoran♂/Nidoran♀ and Volbeat/Illumise. Could someone please confirm the relations of the Pokémon with known genderal relations, suspected relations, and just plain similarities? Sean... Lord of the Shadows!!! 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

The Nidos are OBVIOUSLY gender counterparts-they were gender counterparts before gender even existed! As for Volbeat,/Illumise, they happen to mention it in the Pokédex AND the anime. So your argument is invalid. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic. 19:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Heatran

As far as I know, Heatran is also a male-only Pokémon. Pan·da·mo·ni·a 02:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)