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== Origin ==
Fennekin is based on a {{wp|Fennec fox}} ;) --<font face="Britannic Bold">[[User:PenblooeR|<span style="color:#6CB3E3;">Pen</span>]][[User talk:PenblooeR|<span style="color:#4B81A4">BlooeR</span>]]</font> 12:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Name == 

i think its fennel and vixen not kitten! [[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] ([[User talk:Badwolf1234|talk]]) 13:11, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:I agree, definetly makes more sense than kitten --<font face="Britannic Bold">[[User:PenblooeR|<span style="color:#6CB3E3;">Pen</span>]][[User talk:PenblooeR|<span style="color:#4B81A4">BlooeR</span>]]</font> 13:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Maybe more fennec and kind (child in german) [[User:Milde|Milde]] ([[User talk:Milde|talk]]) 16:39, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

:I think its also possible that the kin part is derived from Kitsune. Drop the Tsu and e and you got kin. It also might be from Kinetic as in Kinetic energy. 

:Another possibility is that Kin is from Kindred as in Kindred Spirit. We all know Foxes and Sprites go hand in hand in japan. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 17:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

::I'm fairly confident that it's Fennec and '''Kin'''dle, guys. It's the fire starter, after all, you'd expect its name to reference fire in some way. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] ([[User talk:Aielyn|talk]]) 00:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

:::Think its Japanese name might be a pun on "[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/focus#Latin focus]", the Latin word for "fireplace", or its many descendants in Romance languages which mean "fire", such as the Italian "fuoco". [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]])</sup> 16:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Anyway, because of the template, we don't need its Japanese name in the name origin section. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]])</sup> 16:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::I think "kin" is from "tele-kinesis" or "psycho-kinesis". It will be confirmed if it's revealed that it's second type is Psychic, however. [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::All 3 starters have been confirmed to be pure Fire/Water/Grass types in their first forms so I'm not sure how accurate this is. It's evolution may still be part Psychic-type though so we'll just have to wait and see! [[User:Noah★|Noah★]] ([[User talk:Noah★|talk]]) 04:11, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::::'Kin', also might come from, well, [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kin 'kin'] as in family/relations/breed (as in your next of kin).  Making the name mean more or less mean Fennic family/species. Kin being the word that kindred, akin, and kind (as in mankind) are derived from. [[User:senefen|senefen]]

==Regional dex number==
I think after 5 gens of games, its safe to say that it's Pokedex number will be 004 for its regional dex spot. In all the games, the first fire starter has always been 004 in their regional dex. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 17:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:We also thought that {{p|Snivy}} ''must'' be #494 in the Ndex, and {{p|Victini|look what happened}}. <small>- ''signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|<span style="color:#DAA520;">Golden</span><span style="color:#78C850;">Celebi</span>]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])''</small> <small>''22:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)''</small>
::Snivy may not have been 494 in the National Dex, but he was still 001 in the Unova Dex. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|talk]]) 14:31, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Whose to say they won't switch it around? Wait until more information is revealed.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 14:33, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:: We're not talking about the National Dex, we're talking about the Regional Dex. After 5 generations, the starters have always followed the same template. The grass has always been 001, 002 and 003, the Fire 004, 005, 006 and the water 007, 008 and 009. Even when Victini came in and messed with the template some to be 000, it still didn't oust Snivy from the 001 spot or Tepig from the 004 spot.

:: In Gen I, Charmander was 004, Gen II Cyndaquil 004, Gen III Torchic 004, Gen IV Chimchar 004 and Gen 5 Tepig 004 The reason they always give the starters and their evolutions the first 9 spots of the dex is because they're the first Pokémon you get. So with that said, I think its safe to say we can give Fennekin the 004. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 04:52, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

:::So what? It may change. It's unlikely but possible. Just wait until it is confirmed. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 06:53, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

== Stock Image ==
Can we please put this image instead of the other image? http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/1/11/Fennekin.png/81px-Fennekin.png the current one looks like it was crushed by two walls.{{unsigned|Invert™}}
:It's the same file, but for some reason it doesn't update G_G --<font face="Britannic Bold">[[User:PenblooeR|<span style="color:#6CB3E3;">Pen</span>]][[User talk:PenblooeR|<span style="color:#4B81A4">BlooeR</span>]]</font> 18:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::The server will update the image itself, please be patient. [[User:Adyniz|<span style="color:#009900;">'''Adyniz'''</span>]] — [[User talk:Adyniz|<span style="color:#003399;">'''Wanna talk?'''</span>]] 18:21, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

==Type==
Although we obviously can't make any assumptions and put them on the Fennekin page, would it be safe to say that it is a Fire/Psychic type? The move that it used against the Kirlia in the trailer looked a lot like a psychic type move. [[User:Cafeolay|Cafeolay]] ([[User talk:Cafeolay|talk]]) 23:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:Not yet. Besides, most Pokémon used moves that don't get STAB. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 23:33, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::*I.E. [[Psyduck]] and [[Golduck]]. They learn Psychic moves and they aren't Psychic-types.  Also, is there any confirmation that it was a psychic attack?  Seriously, I'm curious if there was. ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 23:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Yeah I realize that it may not be a psychic type, I'm just putting the idea out there. The Psyduck/Golduck analogy is actually a great example. [[User:Cafeolay|Cafeolay]] ([[User talk:Cafeolay|talk]]) 23:44, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::* Thanks. LOL. I'm assuming that this site goes off of confirmed/official info, though it isn't a bad thought. It probably is best to just wait until something official is release on the types and evolutions. But here's to wishful thinking and hopefully not having another Fire/Fighting type starter. XD Until then, I'm guessing we'll have to wait and see. ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 23:55, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::* To break the Fire-Fighting cycle, I could imagine the final evolution as half-ground. Given that Grass-Ground (Torterra) and Water-Ground (Swampert) already exist, it's a no-brainer. [[User:FalafelC|FalafelC]] ([[User talk:FalafelC|talk]]) 08:17, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::* Hasn't it already been officially confirmed that Fennekin is a pure [[Fire]] type by various official Pokémon sources? As for its evolutions, it is too early to say anyway.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 10:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::::* Fennekin will probably be a pure fire type (Every starter is pure), but the evolutions, as you said, will most likely be Psychic. Hooray for the monotomy break! --[[User:IwAsSoMeGuY|IwAsSoMeGuY]] ([[User talk:IwAsSoMeGuY|talk]]) 21:09, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

== Design Origin ==

Shouldn't we add that it appears to be based on a fennec fox?
--[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 01:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Fennekin evo? ==

Found this http://oi46.tinypic.com/dng07s.jpg obvious speculation, has anything been revealed?[[User:Prinben|Prinben]] ([[User talk:Prinben|talk]]) 20:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:Very obvious fake; it says "HeartGold & SoulSilver" in top right.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 20:07, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Kitsune may also be likely origin ==

Besides being based on a fennec fox in regards to its appearance, I also believe that Fennekin may also be based on a kitsune in mind. It's not uncommon in Japanese mythology of kitsune foxes being able to wield fire power, or 'fox fire' as it is sometimes called. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] ([[User talk:Rai Marshall|talk]]) 21:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:'''Maybe''', but weren't {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}} also based off of Kitsunes and they weren't Fire-Types at all. We'll have to see. ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 22:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::I also think Fennekin is based off Kitsune. Before Fennekin, there was some {{type|Fire}} foxes such as {{p|Vulpix}}, {{p|Flareon}}, and the legendary {{p|Victini}}. However, only {{p|Ninetales}} were actually based off Kitsune, especially Nine Tailed Fox, and I think Flareon was more of a dog, and Victini was more of a rabbit than a fox (although it was also based on a fennec fox like {{p|Eevee}} and Fennekin). [[User:SpecialStageRoute|Special Stage Route]] ([[User talk:SpecialStageRoute|pit stop]]) 09:44, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

:::In regards to Zorua and Zoroark, yes they aren't fire types. Not all kitsune in mythology are depicted to wield the powers of fire, but 'fox fire' is still a fairly common thing. As for Vulpix, it's still based on a kitsune, but based on a young kitsune that hasn't reached full maturity. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] ([[User talk:Rai Marshall|talk]]) 22:57, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:::* I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm just saying we should wait until we get more info.  Never was sure if {{p|Flareon}} was a fox or not...or a dog, looked like a fox, I suppose.  If so, I guess it can prove the fact that we shouldn't assume any fox-like fire-types are automatically based on kitsunes.  Though I do have a feeling that is the direction they will take with Fennekin (really its evolutions more than Fennekin itself), but we'll still have to see what happens. ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 00:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

== Catch-rate info==
How come the article says that there's a -1% catch-rate and not 0% like the other two starters? I feel it should be changed to 0% to match the others. [[User:Uncle Edit|Uncle Edit]] ([[User talk:Uncle Edit|talk]]) 01:13, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

== German Name ==

Its German name "Fynx" is very likely based on the English word "lynx". The first letter "F" could be based on "Fuchs" (fox), "Fennek" (fennec) or  "Feuer" (fire). Maybe someone can add "lynx" to the German meaning? --[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 09:10, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

== Special abilities ==

Should be added that "it can radiate heat from it's ears up to temperatures of 200°C" in the Special Abilities section. Also that it "carries it's favourite food around with it to eat as a snack" in a section (Not sure which). --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 11:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Should be listed underneath the '''Diet''' heading. Also, does it list a specific food or does it just state "it carries it's favourite food"? --[[User:Relicant|<span style="color:#785C3E;">'''Reli'''</span><span style="color:#FF3300;">★</span><span style="color:#C2A385;">'''ジーランス'''</span>]]'''?''' 17:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Twigs ==

The official site claims Fennekin likes to eat twigs. Could we add that to it's diet section? --[[User:Relicant|<span style="color:#785C3E;">'''Reli'''</span><span style="color:#FF3300;">★</span><span style="color:#C2A385;">'''ジーランス'''</span>]]'''?''' 15:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

== Moveset ==

By ★☆[[User:Togetic45|<span style="color:red;">'''Toge'''</span>]][[User talk:Togetic45|<span style="color:grey;">'''tic'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Togetic45|<span style="color:blue;">'''45'''</span>]]☆★ 12:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Recently, the pokemon website added more info on pokemon X and pokemon Y. They gave off a picture of the pokemon X and pokemon Y pokemon summary interface. There, a Lv. 5 fennekin can be seen with the moves scratch, tail whit and ember, and another shot of the same thing, except Fennekin is Lv. 11 and it knows howl. Is it worth it to add a learnset? Something like (and this is just me, being lazy and not changing much);

{{learnlist/levelh|Fennekin|Fire|Fire|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Tail Whip|Normal|Status|&mdash;|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Ember|Fire|Physical|40|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|?|Howl|Normal|Status|&mdash;|100|40}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Fennekin|Fire|Fire|5|5}}


:We never add moveset templates until the games have been released, because there are many things we don't know: The movesets may not be final, Howl and even Ember may be TM/Tutor/Egg moves, Scratch and Ember may have different base power/accuracy, we don't know when it learns the first three moves etc. Also, I altered the template because it had redlinks.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 12:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

:Oh. Well, ok. Like I said, that was just me being lazy, wanting to get work done before there is any. Thanks for the notice! ★☆[[User:Togetic45|<span style="color:red;">'''Toge'''</span>]][[User talk:Togetic45|<span style="color:grey;">'''tic'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Togetic45|<span style="color:blue;">'''45'''</span>]]☆★ 17:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

::Just pointing out that Ember doesn't have to be an egg move to be learned at level 1, it could just be a regular level up move that they breeded on to it to signify it's type. Also, scratch is almost definitely a basic move, since every starter has either Tackle or Scratch as it's starting move. -[[User:IVsaur|<span style="color:lightbrown">EVs</span><small><span style="color:black">and</span></small><span style="color:green">IVsaurs</span>]] 13:37, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

:::U-huh. Thanks for explaining that to me! ★☆[[User:Togetic45|<span style="color:red;">'''Toge'''</span>]][[User talk:Togetic45|<span style="color:grey;">'''tic'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Togetic45|<span style="color:blue;">'''45'''</span>]]☆★ 15:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:Would someone please explain why|Tail Whip has a power of 50? [[User:Higejolly|higejolly]] ([[User talk:Higejolly|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Boom fixed. ★☆[[User:Togetic45|<span style="color:red;">'''Toge'''</span>]][[User talk:Togetic45|<span style="color:grey;">'''tic'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Togetic45|<span style="color:blue;">'''45'''</span>]]☆★ 11:52, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

== Korean name for Fennekin ==

Until the page gets unlocked... here's Fennekin's [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_02.html Korean name]: 푸호꼬 ''Puho'kko'' -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:54, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:Took me a little bit, but here's what ''Puho'kko'''s name (most likely) comes from:
:* fuoco (Italian for fire; which would be rendered in Korean as 푸오코)
:* 호 ''ho'' (狐, fox)
:* 꼬마 ''kkoma'' (a tiny thing, small child)
:It's sort of a translation of its Japanese name... though not the English word "fox" part (as "fox" would be rendered as 폭스 ''pok'seu'') -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:15, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== Red Fox ==

Fennekin also shares some traits with the red fox. These are the cat-like eyes, white muzzle and cheek fur, and colored tip on it's tail. Link[http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4g1zutzM2NM/TmsCG8DWeFI/AAAAAAAAAE4/6QP1GNeAIQQ/s1600/red-fox.jpg]], Link[http://www.wild-life-rehab.com/Education%20Page%20Photos/Red_Fox_Adult.jpg][[User:Robbie|Robbie]] ([[User talk:Robbie|talk]]) 19:35, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

== For the record... ==

Fennekin's Kalos Pokedex number is probably #4, and its National Pokedex number is probably #653. {{unsigned|CrazyMagmar}} 23:25, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

:This was also mentioned in Chespin's talk page, but with Victini being a rulebreaker, we don't assume those things[[User:Yveltal-is-roosting|Yveltal-is-roosting]] ([[User talk:Yveltal-is-roosting|talk]]) 09:35, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that was me that time, too. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 22:46, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

== Pokedex Sprites ==

If you look closely at the upper right of the image of the Kalos Pokedex you can see a sprite of Fennekin. Maybe a pixel artist could copy this for the places where this sprite is used. (Not complaining or anything, just an idea). --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 08:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
:We generally prefer sprites to be directly ripped from the games, so human error and palette mistakes aren't issues. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:29, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

== species name trivia ==

fennekin has the same species name as vulpix and ninetales [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 14:09, 14 August 2013 (UTC)