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==Should the new Gen.5'ers be included in this list?==

Now that we know their types, should Reshiram and Zekrom be included in the list as well? [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 21:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:They should be, but we're lazy and the server glitches have prevented us from doing much. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:19, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
::Oh. I was half-expecting you to answer "no". [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:19, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Fully evolved Dragons ==

Should we keep the small section saying that before Gen V, all fully evolved dragons had two types? Seems a bit pointless now that two of them don't. [[User:Dawnshadow|Dawnshadow]] 09:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be stated that Dragon's legendary status, and nature themed powers in mythology are why it resists the "basic"/natural elements Fire, Water, Grass, and Electric?[[User:Tesseract|Tesseract]] 07:34, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:No, we don't offer explanations behind type effectivenesses. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
But on the psychic type page tells that all they types thats super effective against psychic refers to fears affecting the mind[[User:Mithril|Mithril]] 20:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


"The only Dragon type without a weakness to Ice is Kingdra." Isn't there also Dialga, Palkia, Reshiram, and Kyurem? [[User:Kianglo|Kianglo]] 19:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

:"The only '''non-legendary''' Dragon-type Pokémon that doesn't sport any weakness to {{t|Ice}} is Kingdra. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|<span style="color:green">SuperAipom7</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|<span style="color:purple">Wanna chat?</span>]])''</small> 19:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

== Dragon and Fire attacks ==

"Furthermore, the combination of Dragon and {{t|Fire}} has {{p|Heatran|almost}} unresisted coverage." Though Heatran does resist Dragon, Fire is neutral on it, so wouldn't this sentence be false? —[[User:Beta Zero|<font color="#000000">'''β'''</font><font color="#BBBBBB">''etA''</font>]] [[User talk:Beta Zero|<font color="#BBBBBB">''Zer''</font><font color="#000000">'''Ø'''</font>]] 18:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
:Heatran has {{a|Flash Fire}}, which makes it immune to Fire. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 20:32, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
What about Fighting? I'm looking at the Steel-list, and not seeing any pokemon I know to resist Fighting. I believe Fighting isn't much less common than Fire in the wide move-pools of Dragon-types. [[User:PLA|PLA]] ([[User talk:PLA|talk]]) 16:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
:Technically Heatran can still be damaged by Fire if {{m|Gastro Acid}} or {{a|Mold Breaker}} is in effect, or if Heatran has its hidden ability {{a|Flame Body}} -- but I don't think you can even get hidden-ability Heatran, so under normal circumstances it does resist Dragon and is immune to Fire.  Also note that any Pokemon with {{a|Tinted Lens}} and a Dragon attack (beyond {{m|Dragon Rage}}) will have completely unresisted type coverage due to the ability, but that's largely a hypothetical scenario as it requires {{m|Skill Swap}}, {{m|Mimic}}, {{m|Hidden Power}}, and/or a {{m|Metronome|summoning}} {{m|Mirror Move|move}} to execute. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 23:17, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

== Type specialist on Trivia ==

The trivia says "Every Dragon type specialist has been the final member of their associations, with three eighth Gym Leaders (Clair, Iris, and Drayden),[...]". In Pokémon B2 W2, Drayden is the seventh Gym Leader. Should not this be fixed? [[User:BrasilLucasSant|BrasilLucasSant]] 21:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC-3)
:I've altered it. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 00:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

== Salamence (Trivia) ==

Salamence is the only Pokémon that is used by every Dragon-type gym leader or Elite Four member. Maybe this is worth mentioning in the trivia section.--[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 16:18, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

== Redundant info ==

The page mentions the fact that Dragon is the only type resistant to all starter Pokémon types twice, once in the defensive characteristics and again in the Trivia section. Not sure which one should be removed. [[User:Hawntah|Hawntah]] ([[User talk:Hawntah|talk]]) 12:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

== Type charts ==

The Steel-type did not exist in Generation I. This is not reflected in the type-effectiveness charts. There should be three type-effectiveness charts: one for Generation I, one for Generation II-V, and on for Generation VI onwards. [[User:Geodude6|Geodude6]] ([[User talk:Geodude6|talk]]) 20:45, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

== Proposal due to changes from Mega Evolutions ==

Considering the fact that Ampharos becomes part Dragon due to Mega Evolution, and only that way, I was wondering if a separate section could be created for any Pokémon that temporarily/permanently change their type through it under the {{tt|"Half Dragon-type Pokémon" section|Section 4.3 in the Contents}}.  This way it will reduce needing multiple sections that will just end up needlessly expanding the article, keeping everything simple, while allowing users to see all of the changes caused by the Mega Evolutions.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 17:44, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
: Couldn't we treat it similarly to type changes through form changes, with a tooltip noting that it only has this type while Megaevolved or whatever? Actually, it might be better to wait on that until we know how Mega-evolution works. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 18:25, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
::Potentially and likely to be what will happen.  However, Mega Evolutions seem to only focus on the Final Evolution of the family of a Pokémon or at least based on what we know at this time.  That would mean that over 300 Pokémon would still have a Mega Evolution based on families alone.  With enough type changes, we may overload how many templates an article can have.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 01:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Be aware that we have no evidence that ''all'' final evolutions will get Mega Evolutions. In fact, I've seen some sources saying specifically that ''not'' all final evos will get Mega Evolutions, but I don't know if that was actually from CoroCoro or if it's just a rumor. In either case, it's definitely confirmed that not all Mega Evolutions will have type changes. I think treating it like form changes (for example, Darmanitan) should be fine. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:22, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
::::That is a good point.  In addition, I made a mistake when I thought about the sections that I should have noticed.  Even with a separate section, the article will always have a limited amount of templates it could use, which the only way around that is to make another article off the original.  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:20, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
::So, when will Ampharos be added to the secondary part Dragon list (with an asterisk saying "MegaAmpharos") and on the Electric type page, when will there be an asterisk by Ampharos in the Pure list saying "Normal Ampharos", and Ampharos being added to the Primary part Electric type list with an asterisk about MegaAmpharos? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 16:07, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== Number of Dragon-type Pokemon ==

{{u|Jo The Marten}} updated the "number of Dragon-type Pokemon" from 29 to 30 to account for Noivern. However, this is incorrect, as the sentence clearly states ''as of Generation V''. I can't undo it because the page is locked. Would a staff member like to help me out, either by changing it back to 29 or updating the sentence to express that it's as of what has currently been revealed of Generation VI? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:35, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
:Sorry. ;_; I missed the "as of Gen V" and thought it just said "There are x number of Dragon-type Pokémon." I think I've fixed it. I just don't want to ignore Noivern. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 08:12, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

== gen 1 battle properties ==

what exactly is the point of having a separate table? they only thing that changed was steel resisting dragon. Using that logic we need a different table for types such as grass and flying as well, where the only change in battle properties in gen 2 was steel resisting them. [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 13:07, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
:The Steel type didn't exist in Gen I. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 13:17, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
::so why don't other types such as flying, fighting and grass have a separate table then? [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]])
:::Fighting type does have a separate table for Gen II. As for why Flying and Grass don't, you may have to ask a staff member, as I'm not the one to decide this. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 16:45, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

== mega sceptile ==

now that bulbapedia recognizes all the corocoro stuff as offical mega sceptile needs to be added [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 17:51, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
:Added. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]]''''' 18:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

== Dragon-Types vs. Offensive Fairy-Type Moves ==

"Their weakness to themselves and Fairy is balanced by the fact that '''few Pokémon can learn Fairy-type moves in the first place.'''"

As a competitive battler, I have to disagree with the statement above, particularly the section in bold. While Fairy may not be the most common attacking type, [[Dazzling Gleam|certain]] [[Play Rough|moves]] are rather commonplace, especially Dazzling Gleam, as several Psychic-types, Grass-types, and even Ghost-types and Poison-types can learn the move, along with the obvious Fairy-type Pokémon. [[User:LittleOmu|LittleOmu]] ([[User talk:LittleOmu|talk]]) 19:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Is it notable enough that every Dragon-type Pokemon that isn't a Legendary or a Mega Evolution is obtainable in Pokemon Y? Would Kingdra also be excluded since it's a trade evolution? --[[User:SirOni|SirOni]] ([[User talk:SirOni|talk]]) 01:05, 26 June 2014 (UTC)SirOni
:That's a bit overly-specific, I think we can do without it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]]''''' 01:14, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

== Exceptions ==
It's said in the article "Currently, there are no Dragon-type Pokémon that evolve by a method other than leveling up." But Kingdra is apparently an exception, evolving by trade. Should this be deleted? [[User:Dinodestroyer|Dinodestroyer]] ([[User talk:Dinodestroyer|talk]]) 17:38, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
:Seadra is the one that evolves. Kingdra is just the result of the evolution process. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:41, 10 January 2017 (UTC)