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I can't use Swords Dance, Baton Pass, or Agility on the partner in generation 4. Is this something specific to generation 3, or was it poorly worded? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 03:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC) | I can't use Swords Dance, Baton Pass, or Agility on the partner in generation 4. Is this something specific to generation 3, or was it poorly worded? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 03:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Also, doesn't {{m|Perish Song}} affect every pokémon on the battlefield? That list doesn't make much senne to me... | :Also, doesn't {{m|Perish Song}} affect every pokémon on the battlefield? That list doesn't make much senne to me... | ||
::The entire User or Partner section of the list seems to make no sense to me whatsoever... --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 05:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::What, exactly, do you mean? --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]<sub>[[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]]</sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 05:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::: Oh for crying out loud!, What the section means it does something to both user and partner, Lets say I use Agility, Not only does my speed increase also my pair's speed increases. The next section says, may hit either opponents, which means your moves will hit on of your opponents. | |||
::: Both opponents mean your move will hit both of your opponent. | |||
::: Hits both opponents and partner means it hits you, your partner and you opponents. | |||
::: Affects all Pokémon in battle is the same as above. | |||
::: --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 05:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::...dude, it's "User ''or'' partner," so I assume it can do either, but not both. Also, "hits both opponents and partner" doesn't hit you. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]<sub>[[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]]</sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 05:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::"May be used ON User or Partner" suggests that any move in this list would give me my own Pokémon or its partner as valid target choices. Calm Mind is in said list: [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/PhredLevi/TV2008122401425800.jpg so where is my partner in the target selection?] --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 05:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::::Interesting... my guess is that it works differently in PBR for whatever reason (quite a few gen I moves acted slightly differently in Stadium than in the main games). Someone with DP should double-check that. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]<sub>[[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]]</sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 12:30, 24 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Pokémon pairs often used in double battles == | == Pokémon pairs often used in double battles == | ||
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I have played double battles a lot recently. One aspect of them(In 4th Gen at least) that can be of importance, is that any attack that targets to multiple pokemon will hit the fastest target first, and the slowest last(Same goes in Trick Room, basically reversing the normal order). One important use of this I know is in regards to Dark Void in Battle Revolution Doubles while Sleep Clause is active. The fastest target will be the first to get hit(Or get lucky with a miss). The slower one will be guaranteed to avoid it if it hits the faster one and puts sleep on them, unless the faster one already has a non-sleep status on them/it misses the fast target. | I have played double battles a lot recently. One aspect of them(In 4th Gen at least) that can be of importance, is that any attack that targets to multiple pokemon will hit the fastest target first, and the slowest last(Same goes in Trick Room, basically reversing the normal order). One important use of this I know is in regards to Dark Void in Battle Revolution Doubles while Sleep Clause is active. The fastest target will be the first to get hit(Or get lucky with a miss). The slower one will be guaranteed to avoid it if it hits the faster one and puts sleep on them, unless the faster one already has a non-sleep status on them/it misses the fast target. | ||
Dark Void is definitely the only move where knowing the order could be useful(Such as switching in a slow pokemon to make your fast sleep-talker fall asleep instead of a faster sweeper. For Lum berry or Chesto berry-holders, just give it to a faster pokemon, to let your slow sleep-talker be put to sleep). If sleep clause is not active, then both pokemon will only have a normal chance to avoid it. For the other moves, the attack order is not as important to know(Since they just deal damage or confusion, which aren't as bad as sleep in most cases). [[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 15:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC) | Dark Void is definitely the only move where knowing the order could be useful(Such as switching in a slow pokemon to make your fast sleep-talker fall asleep instead of a faster sweeper. For Lum berry or Chesto berry-holders, just give it to a faster pokemon, to let your slow sleep-talker be put to sleep). If sleep clause is not active, then both pokemon will only have a normal chance to avoid it. For the other moves, the attack order is not as important to know(Since they just deal damage or confusion, which aren't as bad as sleep in most cases). [[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 15:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Well, I did mention the turn-order thing in the article, and the Dark Void page already mentions the Sleep Clause deal, so I think we're good in that regard. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 18:57, 23 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
== In-game double battle partners == | |||
I'm not talking the stat trainers; they already have what I'm after. A list of other double-battle partners would be nice though, along with the back sprites of Barry and Steven. You know, just because they aren't anywhere else? -_-; [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Trivia? == | |||
Is it worth mentioning that in the main series there isn't a single case of a double battle involving just two trainers? Like it's either the player and a teammate, or a player versus two trainers. Never player versus a single trainer, unless you count the battle tower (I think? that might even be against two trainers). [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 21:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Battle Tower Double Battles are against one trainer. If I recall correctly, the Emerald Gym leader rematches are also Double Battles... {{unsigned|Goukazaru}} | |||
::...Crap, I did forget to sign...--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 05:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::Well then maybe it's notable that there aren't any double battles versus just one trainer before beating the elite 4? [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 12:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
::::Has there ever been a double battle where the main player and another player battle one person [[User:Jaylop91|Jaylop91]] | |||
== Triple battle debut == | |||
May I argue again that the triple battle section should mention that three on three battles' first major appearance was in [[Pokémon Battrio]], and too much of a fact to be mere trivia? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 23:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Edited in :) —'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 23:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Triple Battles == | |||
Shouldn't Triple Battles be considered a separate article?[[User:Captian Obvious|Captian Obvious]] 19:47, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Yes, but not yet. There isn't enough information for an article on them yet, so they are mentioned here in an attempt to stop people from trying to circumvent the creation protection. Once we get more information then either this article will have to be moved to something like ''Multiple battles'' or they'll need to be split into separate articles. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</sc> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 20:55, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
::So were we gonna do this soon? Redo the page and all? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Umm... Shouldn't the stuff about triple battles be gone now that they are split?--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 04:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
== White == | |||
Are triple battles ''really'' exclusive to White? If so they should be added to the version's page's trivia.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|<span style="color:brown">444</span>]][[User:444Zekrom|<span style="color:black">Z</span>]][[Zekrom|<span style="color:blue">ekrom</span>]] 04:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Didn't This Mechanic Originate in [[Generation II]]? == | |||
Specifically, when fighting [[twins]], you fight a two on two battle. If this isn't a double battle, then what is it? I mean, it always struck me as an experimental form of double battle. [[User:Balmung60|Balmung60]] 05:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
:They battled regular one on one battles back then.-[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#444444">'''F'''</span>]][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#858585">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#C3C3C3">'''F'''</span>]][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#D8D8D8">ire</span>]] 06:05, 3 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
::Ah, my memory must have been off then. Sorry about that. [[User:Balmung60|Balmung60]] 09:14, 3 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
== TCG == | |||
Didn't the Trading Card game have official Double Battle format rules around the time Double Battles in the games were new? | |||
I seem to remember having heard something about that, but it may have just been a house rules kind of deal. | |||
Does anyone else know? --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 06:58, 28 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Remaining moves == | |||
Because days ago I placed a incomplete template, will anyone add the moves that was introduced in Generation VI? --[[User:Cinday123|<span style="color:pink">Cinday123</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Cinday123|<span style="color:lightblue">Talk</span>]])''</small> 07:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Damage reduction == | |||
Does the 25% damage reduction occur when an attack ''hits'' multiple Pokémon, or when it ''targets'' multiple Pokémon? I can test it myself later if no one has an immediate answer. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|<sub>talk</sub>]] 01:45, 4 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Missing Moves == | |||
There are several missing moves from the multi-targeting list, including Howl and everything introduced in the Isle of Armour. [[User:Genuine angus b33f|Genuine angus b33f]] ([[User talk:Genuine angus b33f|talk]]) 23:55, 26 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
Edit: I added the missing moves, but I do not have time to alter their order to be alphabetical to match the rest.{{unsigned|Genuine angus b33f}} | |||
:Done. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:43, 27 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
I missed the moves from the Crown Tundra. Astral Barrage, Glacial Lance, Fiery Wrath (hits adjacent). Also was missing Mind Blown. (hits all) [[User:Genuine angus b33f|Genuine angus b33f]] ([[User talk:Genuine angus b33f|talk]]) 16:44, 27 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
...and Dragon Energy (hits adjacent)[[User:Genuine angus b33f|Genuine angus b33f]] ([[User talk:Genuine angus b33f|talk]]) 16:47, 27 July 2021 (UTC) | |||