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== Picture ==
Can someone please get a picture without the text and the logo on it? --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 00:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:I can--[[User:CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#007FFF;">'''Cool'''</span>]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#FFBA00;">'''Pika'''</span>]][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|<span style="color:#FFBA00;">'''chu!'''</span>]] 00:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

If and When Swinub evolves all the way (Mamoswine) I think it should be noted that it is the second Pokemon of hers that evolved by learning a move. The first was when Aipom learned double hit and evolved, which I'm sure they'll do with (Piloswine) and ancientpower. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 05:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


Ok...it would have been noted anyway.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 06:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, wait until it ''actually'' does so, undoubtedly sometime between here and Sunyshore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

::It will also be the second Pokémon of the main characters that evolve by learning the move {{m|AncientPower}}, the first being [[Jessie's Yanmega]].-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:17, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

== Take Down??? ==

Swinub used Take Down? It looked more like Double-Edge if you ask me. Remember when Brock's Sudowoodo used Double-Edge, it was surrounded (or followed) by a yellow trail?

I'd say it's Double-Edge, not Take Down. [[User: Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]]
:You say look, but watch the episode and take down the name. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <span class="explain" title="Optimus35"><sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc></span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]</sub>''11:06 4 Jul 2008'''''


Take Down??
Double-edge?
I only knows that Swinub glows yellow/white only when it tackles the target, but Sudowoodo tackles the foe and beam appears behind it. [[User:Dong|Dong]] 13:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== English Voice Actor  ==

[[Kayzie Rogers]] will voice her Swinub since she did in both [[4Kids Entertainment]] and [[Pokémon USA]] dubs [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 01:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:Since it's not confirmed for sure, I don't think it should be put on the article until the dub airs.- [[User:SpontaneousCombusken|<span style="background:#E57E4C"><span style="color:#F4DA8E;"><sub>spontaneous</sub></span></span><span style="background:#F4DA8E"><span style="color:#E57E4C;">'''Combusken'''</span></span>]] 01:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

IT IS 17 EPPYS AWAY!! Y R WE TALKIN ABOUT IT NOW???--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 01:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I think its [[Dan Green]] I think I heard it from somewhere. [[User:Roryrules123|Roryrules123]] 3:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== Japanese voice? ==

who Dawn's Swinub Japanese voice?
:We don't know as Swinub wasn't listed in the credits. Yet they can list other Pokémon voices that we already freakin know about... Stupid directors. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 02:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
::But truly, they're not stupid are they...<span style="font-family:Cataneo BT">~[[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#000000;">Pokemaniac102</span>]]</span> 02:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Nah. I'm just venting... --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 02:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Kenta Miyake? ==

To me it doesn't sound like it's voiced by a man.  Was there a source that said this? Cause it sure wasn't PokeAni. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 18:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== help ==

This is the third time a main character captures a Pokémon to stop them from continuously eating food. First, Ash captured his Snorlax to stop it from eating all the grapefruit in a small island range in the Orange Islands, and second, May captures a Munchlax to take responsibility for its constant eating of trainer's Pokéblocks and berries. i want to add this to Dawn's Swinub trivia tell me how?[[User:Kikibabygirl28|Kikibabygirl28]] 20:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

::Well, this might not be really needed.  Swinub is already compared to Munchlax.  And what do you mean by how?--[[User:Taviource|<font color="green">Tavis</font>]][[User talk:Taviource|<font color="gray"><small>ource</small></font>]] 21:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::May and Dawn didn't catch Munchlax and Swinub, respectively, to get them to stop eating. Only Ash did that with Snorlax. May and Dawn just wanted a new Pokémon. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガー
ル'''</span>]] 21:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

==When?==
did swinub use Ice Beam? [[User:Happizelpom|Happizelpom]] 04:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)Happizelpom
:Several sources say it was used in the 11th movie. Personally, I think it should be left out until the movie's DVD release in December. '''~[[User:RR|<span style="color:#007BA7">R</span>]][[User talk:RR|<span style="color:#;#33CC99">R</span>]]~''' 23:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
IT CHECK and it id not use ice beam. [[User:Lindsayoris15|Lindsayoris15]] 19:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Wait... What? ==

When did that happen? I don't think the episode aired yet. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 10:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:So it aired one hour earlier? And DP106 can also be unprotected now!-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 10:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::It should have, I think, judging by the time differences. I think it's almost NZ time and we're onto December 5 (in 23 minutes). &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 10:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Normally, the ep should air in in around 10:30/11:00 if I'm not mistaken but since it's a one-hour special. I think it is normal for it to air earlier.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 10:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::::It always airs at 7PM JST...  It's Naruto that is being pushed back to 8PM. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 10:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I see.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 10:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Which ep did it evolve in? 104 or 105? --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 10:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:I want to ask this question too! The same statement appear in the two ep pages! Things are in a mess now. According to PKMN Veteran in the forums, it evolve in DP104, but it says it evolve into Mamoswine while FabuVinny said Piloswine. Who are we going to trust? By the way, when will DP106 be unprotected?-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 10:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:: Well if we trust PKMN Veteran, There's a high chance Vabu-Vinny may kill us, So we stick with what F-V said. (P.S. It can't evolve into a Mammoswine in one click) --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 10:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Even for those who haven't seen DP104 yet, we know from the summary of next week's episode that it is still Piloswine then anyway.  It's just the opening that has already switched to Mamoswine. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 11:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::: They'll probably change it into a piloswine in the [[DP106|next]] [[DP107|episode]] [[DP108|or]] [[DP109|so]].--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 11:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Or they'll simply keep it unchanged.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::PKMN Veteran does refer to it as a Piloswine in his DP105 summary. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 11:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
: I still think it should be protected, updated with new information but again there's evidence that it's going to evolve again. The mistake in the opening. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 11:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:: I hope not, Then we have to edit all this junk again. Just wait 'till DP106 airs (Which is next week) --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 11:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

Mind if I change the image to this:

[[:a:File:Dawn's Piloswine.jpg]]

It's in jpg tho...--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 11:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's OK, but we should keep the img of it as a Swinub at the same time. {{unsigned| Billy4b2004}}
::: Yeah me too, But You guys can change it if you want--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 11:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm pretty sure that picture isn't of Dawn's Piloswine so no, wait until we have a screenshot from this week's episodes. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 11:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::That's just a photoshop edit made by Serebii. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 11:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== WE should be protected this again for DP106 ==

becasue in the next episode 106 Dawn's Piloswine has learn ancient power which mean that it may evolve again but maybe not this episode.[[User:Lindsayoris15|Lindsayoris15]] 11:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:Where do you learn that Piloswine will learn AncientPower in DP106?-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
IN DP 106 preview.[[User:Lindsayoris15|Lindsayoris15]] 11:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:: Wait 'till someone confirms this, maybe in 4 days time for a preview, But wait till next week for the episode. If theres a sign of Piloswine evolving in the preview, then we protect. --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 11:25, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::: The Opening also made a mistake and put Mamoswine, and I don't think we protect simply when a Pokemon is glowing, but when there's evidence towards it. The opening and the ancient power in DP 106 thanks to the preview of it seems like good evidence that it's evolving again. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 11:28, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Learning doesn't mean evolving, Bonsly evolve in the '''next''' ep after learning Mimic.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::::: And Aipom and Yanma evolved in the same episode as the move they learned that helps them evolve. I know Bonsly evolved in the next episode after learning mimic. I think it's better to be safe than sorry. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 11:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

::::::On the counter side, [[James's Mime Jr.]] already knows {{m|Mimic}} and still has yet to evolve into {{p|Mr. Mime}}.  For all we know, this might be the episode Mime Jr. finally evolves.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::::But maybe he gave Mime Jr. an everstone... [[User:Juan Sanfiel|JS]] 02:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::If Jr. evolves and leaves he'll have room for a Snover on Route 216. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::James already has room for a Snover, if he gets one (I personally think Ash'll get Snover, sometime after Grotle's gone--if the Grass starter were meant to be Ash's signature for the fourth generation, they wouldn't have given him Chimchar in the first place unless he was to also get a Piplup--if Ash doesn't opt for a Tangela instead around Mt. Coronet).   Even if we assumed James only has room for three, he's not full up (right now, his slots are Mime Jr., Carnivine, and empty; I have doubts that Cacnea's returning).  And there's no guarantee that James'll get rid of Mr. Mime after it finishes evolving.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

well for one thing the preview is already there. second piloswine didnt use ancient power. i think your thinking of ice shard[[User:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF7070">Happi</span>]][[User talk:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF8000">zel</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|<span style="color:#660099">pom</span>]] 03:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

No, it is Ancientpower, it looks EXACTLY the same as when Yanmega uses it. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 03:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
: Not to mention Ice Shard was used earlier in the preview and looks different than the attack used at the end of the preview. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 04:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

: Why should we protect it if the anime itself has already confirmed it will shortly be Mamoswine in the opening? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 05:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
: Because some Noob might speculate it, I mean, It probably won't evolve. --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 05:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

:: But if the opening already has Mamoswine, that means it WILL evolve.  And very shortly.  So shortly they didn't even feel the need to put Piloswine in the opening.  --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 08:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Before I comment further, how often around here are pages sporadically moved by people that think a Pokémon is going to evolve? And when was the last time this happened and was wrong? (serious questions; I have no idea). &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 08:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Actually, no one has done anything like this in a long time. The pages are only protected ''in case'' something like this happen (which I seriously doubt). [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 09:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Then why bother protecting if the precedent was years (possibly figurative years) ago? After all, this is just speculation. If someone does it before it's official, just chuck them a warning and move it back. If they persist, then follow up using standard anti-vandal protocol. It makes sense. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 09:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Possibly saves them the work of doing all this. Anyway, protecting pages like this gets really annoying, since you can't fix ''anything'' on the page until the protection expires. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 09:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Which is probably necessary seeing as it just got half a rewrite. Admins reading this, don't protect plz. Just let it run its course and we'll see if anyone tries to make a stuffup. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 09:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::The opening can merely mean to be an error. A Pokémon site also have a magmar image with the name Magmortar, it could be the same for Piloswine. For all we know, not all the Pokémon who have learn the move required for evolution will evolve. Mime Jr. didn't evolve after the battle in the chingling ep so we can only assume that cases are different to every Pokémon. -[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 15:33, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: There's a big difference between a fansite mislabeling a Pokemon and '''THE ANIME PUTTING THE WRONG POKEMON IN AN OPENING.'''  In fact, I'd say that doubting the opening is itself speculation.  And foolish speculation at that.  I'm pretty sure the anime you know, pays people for that not to happen and have been doing this for 10 years to make sure mistakes like that don't happen.  Silly me.  I thought we agreed on the forums that reliable sources would be just as good to confirm evolutions as the episode's airing?  And what more reliable source can you get than the freaking anime itself?! --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 18:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::That's not a fansite, that is jetix! And I doubt that they are that lazy. If they are lazy, why didn't they keep it as a Swinub and change it to Mamoswine directly when it evolve? If they are lazy, why do they do it so early! They wouldn't do it until the last minute if they are lazy. I mean, why bother doing it so early if it is to be done later. This surely is a mistake! Why would they spoil the evolution?  Can you give me any reason for this?-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 10:51, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
It will evolve, that is fairly obvious. Also, I re-watced the preview and Piloswine uses both Ice Shard and Ancientpower in it. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 16:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:But it has not evolved yet. Just wait, guys, until next week and we'll see if it does or not (although it sure seems likely that it will, but that doesn't mean we move the page now or protect it so it doesn't get moved. Like I said above, use this to establish a new precedent about moving pages; like Jmath said, the move-revert war hasn't happened for yonks). &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 19:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::It should be protected.  And Jessie and James have room for 6 each, I thought.  Take Grating Spaces, for instance.  Jessie had Seviper, Dustox, Wobbuffet, and Charizard, and James had Cacnea, Mime Jr., and Aggron.  More than six altogether, I believe.  <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 15:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

== Disobedience? ==

Is it showing any signs of disobedience like Serebii said it would? --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 03:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Not yet, but the summary said they started in [[DP106]]. Although it does look like it will be that bad. At the beginning of [[DP105]] Piloswine was quite affectionate with Dawn. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 03:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Tusks ==
Piloswine's tusk size is consistent with that of a female. Should we put that in the infobox, or should we wait until it evolves to see Mamoswine's tusk size? These two have gender differences, although if it's anything like Ash's Staravia, some admin is going to say 'no' because no character officially said it -_- '''~[[User:RR|<span style="color:#007BA7">R</span>]][[User talk:RR|<span style="color:#;#33CC99">R</span>]]~''' 21:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

How can we possibly say they look like a female's when we don't even have another one to compare it too? --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 04:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

We do have other Mamoswine to compare it to. Remember the Mamoswines in Movie 11? [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 12:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Considering no site has a picture of those Mamoswine, we don't. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 14:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Now we do. Serebii has the pictures of Movie 11, and the Mamoswine on those pictures have larger tusks than Dawn's Mamoswine. So it's female after all. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 11:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Similarities to Misty Togetic ==
Swinub has some similarities to Misty Togepi . They were both the six pokemon obtained by their trainers and are both gen 2 pokemon. They both willingly went with their trainers without requiring their trainers to battle them. They also evolved in similar situations.  They were both being badly beaten and refused to give up causing their trainers to worry about their safety.  Togepi was being beaten by Hanson’s Ninjask and evolved, while Swinub was being beaten by team rocket’s Magikarp sub and evolved. Both were the second pokemon of each trainer to be seen evolving on screen. Both are gen 2 pokemon that have gen 4 evolutions. Voit
:Swinub was Dawn's fifth party member (Aipom counts as traded, not caught). Plus, Dawn didn't hold Swinub in her arms for 300 episodes and not let it do anything until that arc. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

:I get what you are saying, but in Piloswines's article it was dawns sixth pokemon in all and togepi's article says that it was misty 's sixth pokemon in all. and both pokemon were badly beaten before evolving, and both trainers had the same reaction. Also both pokemon were the second pokemon of both trainers to be seen evolving on screenand are both gen 2 pokemon. I just thought it would make good trivia for Piloswine but if its inaccurate just let me know, because I don't want to mess anything up. Voit

==why==
did you change it to mamoswine already?[[User:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF7070">Happi</span>]][[User talk:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF8000">zel</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|<span style="color:#660099">pom</span>]] 11:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:[[DP106]] has just aired in Japan...--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|<font color="FF1111"><small>Force</small></font>]] <sup>[[User:Force Fire|<font color="E24242"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> [[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="4F5870"><small>''talk''</small></font>]] 11:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

==Not sure about the rule==
I'm not sure what the rules are about it but I gave it a shot. Piloswine didn't evolve exactly after using Ancientpower, nor was it used right before evolving. I don't know if it's proper to say it evolved after using Ancientpower or not. But Piloswine evolved after being attacked by Team Rocket. Ancientpower just explains why it evolved not how it evolved.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 11:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

== Similarity to Charizard? ==

Okay, I know it can't be just me, but this thing evolved after a while into its second form, which was a jerk, and very soon after into its third form, which is an even bigger jerk. Chance of Charizard's appearance during Movie 12 or before, in an Ashback? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:In the episode it finally gets tamed in, which'll probably be around Sunyshore. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::The similarity may be partially unintentional. It's obvious that the main characters' Pokémon are getting a lot more character development in DP than in the previous two series--it may just be that the writers were running short on Pokemon personality ideas and wanted to (whether consciously or otherwise) reuse the "evolves, then acts rebellious" archetype. Maybe they even wanted to purposely revisit that kind of scenario with their improved writing--a redux, of sorts. Also, from what's been said about Piloswine/Mamoswine, it seems that its personality isn't directly analogous to Charizard's; it has little self-control, but still acts affectionate towards Dawn, unlike Charizard who seemed bent on burning Ash to cinders. (Apologies if that's inaccurate, I actually haven't watched the anime past the beginning of Johto, but that doesn't mean I can't have opinions or speculate...right?) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 05:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

==I==
dont think ice beam should be italicized. it hasnt been seen using it in the anime, and there is only speculation that it used it in the 11th movie. [[User:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF7070">Happi</span>]][[User talk:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF8000">zel</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|<span style="color:#660099">pom</span>]] 06:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

:Speculation or real? Can anyone confirm this?-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 10:02, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

==Ice Beam rumor wrong==
I saw the pictures [http://serebii.net/movies/giratina/pics24.shtml here] and swinub was using ice shard not ice beam, i think people were confused because there were many other pokemon using ice beam in the background. also at first you see buneary and swinub about to attack and the next pic you see an ice beam and some ice projectiles being shot. so can we delete ice beam? [[User:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF7070">Happi</span>]][[User talk:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF8000">zel</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|<span style="color:#660099">pom</span>]] 10:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:Looks like Ice Shard, since it's nothing like a bolt of electricity. '''[[User:Optimatum|<b><font color="black;">Θρtιmαtum</font>]]<sub>[[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]</sub></b> 12:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::But it sure looks like Ice Beam.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|<font color="brown"><small><sup>☆</sup></small></font>]][[User:Tavisource|<font color="teal">Tavis</font>]][[User talk:Tavisource|<font color="gray"><small>ource</small></font>]] 03:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It is Ice Shard. I just checked the movie. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 03:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Some time ago(the episode when it evolves into mamoswine already aired), I checked out the page and saw the picture was..... uhm...... "quite blurry", since, '''for some reason''', I didn't find any other picture on the archives to replace it when I tried to....... well whoever replaced the picture, good job, way better than the "quite blurry" one, so, good job.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/Secret Page|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 04:18, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:To find the user who replaced the image, try using the history tab. Look for the revision for between the old and new pic.--[[User:Kevzo8|<sup><span style="color:#C0C0C0">Ke</span></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<sup><span style="color:#000000">vz</span></sup>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<sub><span style="color:#696969">o8</span></sub>]] 04:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== Gender Differences: Mamowine's clearly female ==

[[:a:File:Mamoswine movie.jpg|thumb|right|210px|Mamoswine in [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]]]
[[:a:File:Mamoswine.png|thumb|left|240px|Dawn's Mamoswine in the anime]]
Looking at the two, I can see a clear difference. Of course, this same thing happened {{AP|with another Pokémon|Staravia}} but surely this proves that Mamoswine is female. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 19:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Could just be differnces in animation between movies and anime. But I'm just playing devil's advocate now. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 19:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:: I noticed that when I looked at the "beard" around their noses, but the tusks length are seemingly different. Although, they are at different lengths, and angles, Dawn is standing next to Mamoswine's movie debut and that helped with the scale. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 19:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::It would be more clear if another Mamoswine appeared and interacted with Dawn's. Size differences really are a pain in the ****. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 19:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::::As said before, movies are animated a little differently so this is not proof that we can use. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 04:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, would you guys look at this link? Dawn's Piloswine's tusks looked a little shorter than some of these... [http://www.serebii.net/anime/dex/221.shtml] [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 13:32, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:None of those look like they're animated the same way, so it can't be trusted. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:30, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

*Well, the dubbed [[DP106]] sure put us in our places... [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 13:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:Screw the dub, they make mistakes. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 13:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:By which I mean that he is often used as a gender neutral pronoun when it would be too impersonal. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 13:49, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::The dub says its. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 00:21, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I Think the sentence "it'll be his first contest!" is enough proof to say it's male. Or if for some reason you really think it's female DESPITE BEING CALLED A HE, then we can do what we did with [[Darkrai (M10)|Darkrai]]. [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 17:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::::From what I hear, Dawn said "its first contest". And even if it was "his", that still doesn't mean it isn't possibly female in the original version. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 21:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Opposite types ==

Should we add that Charizard and Mamoswine are of opposite types; Fire/Flying and Ice/Ground, respectively? [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]

:Nope, that is ''too'' coincidental. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 07:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Contest ==

Is it me, or in [[DP122]] (or [[DP121]], can't remember), did Dawn say that Buneary, Pachirisu and Mamoswine were training for a contest? I seemed to have heard the word contest, then those three started cheering. I can't wait... [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 17:57, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Damn, Didn't... [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 19:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== Give to Candice==
I found this image on the image on a pokémon site like bulbapedia. [[Image:candice dawn mamoswine.png]]<small>- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Riolufan09}} ([[User talk:Riolufan09|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Riolufan09|contribs]]) 12:36, 11 May 2009''</small>
: couldnt upload site is http://pokemonbiosphere.blogspot.com/ (not my site)
:Um. What? They're speculating on our lack of info? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 18:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, I think He/She was pointing evidence at The "Candice's Mamoswine" Pokemon Platinum Card.     But she has a Piloswine in Platinum, which evolves prior to one of her rematches. It ain't Dawn's. Mamoswine won't leave. [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 19:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Voice Actor??? ==

If Mamoswine's english voice actor is missing then
what is this?

" Dawn's Mamoswine (Japanese: ヒカリのマンムー Hikari's Mammoo) was the fifth Pokémon captured by Dawn in the anime, and her sixth Pokémon in all. Its voice actor in both Japanese and English is Unshō Ishizuka "

--<span style="color:#00DD00">♫♪</span>[[User:Adyniz|<span style="color:#FF7327;">'''Ady'''</span>]][[User talk:Adyniz|<span style="color:#FF7327;">'''niz'''</span>]]<span style="color:#00DD00">♪♫</span> 04:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:I forgot to remove that is all... --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 05:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay :D
--<span style="color:#00DD00">♫♪</span>[[User:Adyniz|<span style="color:#FF7327;">'''Ady'''</span>]][[User talk:Adyniz|<span style="color:#FF7327;">'''niz'''</span>]]<span style="color:#00DD00">♪♫</span> 05:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

== Gender ==

Which episode, specifically? [[User:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000099">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''M'''</span>]] 21:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

In [[DP106]].It was before Pilowswine evoled into Mamoswine.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 14:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Its confirmed.
I watched DP106 and in the initial scenes dawn says "I will use piloswine this time, it will be HIS very first contest".
So Dawn's Mamoswine is a male pokemon.
Why don't we add it in the GENDER box?
--<span style="color:#00DD00">♫♪</span>[[User:Adyniz|<span style="color:#FF7327;">'''Ady'''</span>]][[User talk:Adyniz|<span style="color:#FF7327;">'''niz'''</span>]]<span style="color:#00DD00">♪♫</span> 15:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:I just watched that episode now. Not only does she say "its", closed captioning said the same thing. Therefor it is not confirmed male. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 21:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Dawn defiantly said HIS first time. --'''[[User:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CC99CC">いぬ</span>]][[User talk:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">みみ</span>]]''' 07:12, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

==Fourth or Fifth movebased evolution==

"Mamoswine is the fourth Pokémon in the Pokémon anime to evolve by knowing a certain move, following Brock's Sudowoodo, Dawn's Ambipom and Jessie's Yanmega, and is the second Pokémon of Dawn's to evolve by this method." I don't think this is true, there is also Angie's Lickitung who learned Rollout and evolved into Lickilicky. [[User:Bigtukker|Bigtukker]] 17:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:I guess we should of said "the fourth Pokémon '''belonging to a main character''' to evolve by this method." I mean, we really don't care about Angie. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 18:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::Not to mention that the Lickitung wasn't hers. She was raising it at her parent's daycare for ''someone else''; therefore, it doesn't belong to her, and so wouldn't be a problem even if Angie is designated a main character. I think switching the wording would be ideal. --[[User:RiverAura|<font color="#00CCFF">River</font>]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|<font color="#00FFCC">Aura</font>]] 19:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

==Mamoswine and Gliscor==
"Mamoswine is similar to Ash's Gliscor in a couple of ways. Both of them were their Trainer's fifth capture in Sinnoh, and both are part of a Generation II evolution family and are both Ground types. They also sat out of exactly three Contests/Gym battles before finally participating."
Is wrong, Gliscor was Ash's 4th capture in Sinnoh (after Starly, Turtwig and Chimchar).
However this could be fixed just putting "...ther trainer's fourth capture..." as Swinub was actually the fourth of Dawn's captures too (after Buneary, Pachirisu and Buizel) because Piplup wasn't captured but given to her. [[User:Luord|Luord]] 03:04, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</sc> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 03:23, 3 July 2010 (UTC)