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::::::::Sorry to butt in and continue this arduous discussion(And I'm not debating staff policy this time), but the Purrloin example doesn't work:Said Purrloin wasn't being honest about its biological gender. Nor did it identify verbally(through Meowth or any other reliable translator or Attract/Captivate) as trans, bi or or gay. And neither does Meowth(unless under the influence of fermented, mildly psychotropic Berry Juice to James in the 4Kids era dub only). He(the Purrloin) was lying to manipulate the cast into doing what it wanted. So that isn't a concrete example because the plot of the episode in question:Also, Meowth identified it as female in his mind, and was attracted to said(untrue)femininity. He(Meowth) was NOT attracted to a identified male in a homosexual way nor was he attracted as if the Purrloin was a trans female, in either by intent, instinct, choice, arousal or sexuality. There is no solid, concrete proof of naturally transgender or homosexual Pokémon in the anime, despite the fact I believe that they could(and should)exist. Again, sorry to butt in, but I feel that the Purrloin from said episode is nether a good example of, nor identifies with any form of LGBTQA personalities, for the Pokémon anime..For what its worth, I'm bi. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 09:18, 8 April 2016 (UTC) | ::::::::Sorry to butt in and continue this arduous discussion(And I'm not debating staff policy this time), but the Purrloin example doesn't work:Said Purrloin wasn't being honest about its biological gender. Nor did it identify verbally(through Meowth or any other reliable translator or Attract/Captivate) as trans, bi or or gay. And neither does Meowth(unless under the influence of fermented, mildly psychotropic Berry Juice to James in the 4Kids era dub only). He(the Purrloin) was lying to manipulate the cast into doing what it wanted. So that isn't a concrete example because the plot of the episode in question:Also, Meowth identified it as female in his mind, and was attracted to said(untrue)femininity. He(Meowth) was NOT attracted to a identified male in a homosexual way nor was he attracted as if the Purrloin was a trans female, in either by intent, instinct, choice, arousal or sexuality. There is no solid, concrete proof of naturally transgender or homosexual Pokémon in the anime, despite the fact I believe that they could(and should)exist. Again, sorry to butt in, but I feel that the Purrloin from said episode is nether a good example of, nor identifies with any form of LGBTQA personalities, for the Pokémon anime..For what its worth, I'm bi. --[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 09:18, 8 April 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::Alright, maybe my example wasn't the best, but there are still plenty of other reasons to not determine a gender simply based on attraction. Since the point I was trying to make remains the same, I don't see the need to dissect my example. <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:Red">☼ Blazing</span>[[User talk:Blazingfist|<span style="color:red">Fist ☼</span>]]</span> 11:58, 8 April 2016 (UTC) | :::::::::Alright, maybe my example wasn't the best, but there are still plenty of other reasons to not determine a gender simply based on attraction. Since the point I was trying to make remains the same, I don't see the need to dissect my example. <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:Red">☼ Blazing</span>[[User talk:Blazingfist|<span style="color:red">Fist ☼</span>]]</span> 11:58, 8 April 2016 (UTC) | ||
::::::::::Sorry but your point was defeated. [[User:Flain|Flain]] ([[User talk:Flain|talk]]) 17:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
Okay. First things first, just because a confirmed male Pokémon fell in love with a confirmed female Pokémon, it '''does not''' mean that any Pokémon that falls in love with that confirmed female Pokémon is a male. We '''will not''', repeat, '''will not''' base genders off of behavioral patterns like a crush. Genders are only confirmed via Attract/Cute Charm or is it is explicitly stated in the original Japanese episode. Secondly, BlisseyandtheAuaJets, no one implied that Purrloin was a transgender Pokémon, no one even said anything remotely close to that. The Purrloin acted feminine, but it '''does not''' mean we're implying that it is a transgender Pokémon. It acted feminine to the point that Meowth gained an attraction from it, and attraction comes in different forms, and the attraction we're thinking of is obviously not the same as yours.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 12:48, 8 April 2016 (UTC) | Okay. First things first, just because a confirmed male Pokémon fell in love with a confirmed female Pokémon, it '''does not''' mean that any Pokémon that falls in love with that confirmed female Pokémon is a male. We '''will not''', repeat, '''will not''' base genders off of behavioral patterns like a crush. Genders are only confirmed via Attract/Cute Charm or is it is explicitly stated in the original Japanese episode. Secondly, BlisseyandtheAuaJets, no one implied that Purrloin was a transgender Pokémon, no one even said anything remotely close to that. The Purrloin acted feminine, but it '''does not''' mean we're implying that it is a transgender Pokémon. It acted feminine to the point that Meowth gained an attraction from it, and attraction comes in different forms, and the attraction we're thinking of is obviously not the same as yours.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 12:48, 8 April 2016 (UTC) | ||
:Okay look I don't care what anyone says in response to this because this needs to be said. The policy is flawed and so is the logic that the moderators use and that doesn't apply only to the gender situation. You guys need to accept the fact that you've been wrong about a Pokémon's "assumed" gender not being it's confirmed gender. A prime example being Serena's Pancham you said he wasn't confirmed male even though there was evidence that said he is and you wrong. You need to accept the fact that when a Pokémon with a confirmed gender has a crush on another Pokémon it indicates what the other Pokémon's gender could be. You have little to no evidence that supports your arguments while we do have evidence. Just accept the fact that the way you do things is flawed. [[User:Flain|Flain]] ([[User talk:Flain|talk]]) 17: | :Okay look I don't care what anyone says in response to this because this needs to be said. The policy is flawed and so is the logic that the moderators use and that doesn't apply only to the gender situation. You guys need to accept the fact that you've been wrong about a Pokémon's "assumed" gender not being it's confirmed gender. A prime example being Serena's Pancham you said he wasn't confirmed male even though there was evidence that said he is and you wrong. You need to accept the fact that when a Pokémon with a confirmed gender has a crush on another Pokémon it indicates what the other Pokémon's gender could be. You have little to no evidence that supports your arguments while we do have evidence. Just accept the fact that the way you do things is flawed. [[User:Flain|Flain]] ([[User talk:Flain|talk]]) 17:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC) | ||