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It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC) | It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC) | ||
:* Feel more comfortable saying, "based on a mammal" rather than "not based on a reptile" ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ). Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a "reptile" for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC) | :* Feel more comfortable saying, "based on a mammal" rather than "not based on a reptile" ({{p|Oshawott}} had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ). Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a "reptile" for me. ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC) | ||
::* Though the grass starter [[Bulbasaur]] is ''partly'' reptilian in design, it also shares much in common with amphibians such as frogs and toads, also, its animé Pokédex entry from episode 10 of the original series states that: "Researchers are unsure whether to classify Bulbasaur as a plant or animal.". This means that NateVirus is correct, and it should only be stated that Chespin is the only Grass starter to be mammalian, and not the only Grass type starter not to be based on a reptile.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
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::I've seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC) | ::I've seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC) | ||
Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it's pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC) | Can we add that the design is based on a chestnut now? I think it's pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
:Chestnut origin is confirmed and obvious due to the color, shell, and spines. I'm with the others in thinking that the origin section should say "porcupine or hedgehog". While most of his names reference hedgehogs, in Japanese and French the words for hedgehog can also be used to mean porcupine. Even by Pokemon standards of artistic license, Chespin looks very little like a hedgehog. The rodent-like body shape and incisors, tail thats more than a nub, in combination with the spines than can be bristled at will (admittedly a feature shared with hedgehogs) are very reminiscent of porcupines. He likely takes cues from both: they are both well-known, well-liked, prickly animals that can be combined with a chestnut motif to make for a good Pokemon, and the interchangeability of the names in many languages makes it easier on the translators for making portmanteaus or name puns. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 06:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
Well it should mention the chestnut origin and the hedgehog/porcupine origin. My point is right now it doesn't mention either. | |||
[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 18:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
::Was this whole section not started at the ''top'' of the page anyway?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 14:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
What's your point? At this point I'm assuming no mod is actually checking the pages of these "old" X and Y Pokemon anymore, so I'll just wait till the page gets unlocked (presumably after the release of X and Y) and do it myself. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 05:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
Even without Mudkip, Piplup would NOT be the first non reptile water starter, I'm not kidding. I think it would me more informative that every grass starter before Chespin had a strong reptilian resemblence or some indication of being a reptile. Being the first mammal is not as informative if you don' know what the other starters were and, in my opinion, doesn't feel as notable since Cyndaquil has the same trait, and Cyndaquil is the first mammal starter period. Mudkip is the first water type amphibian starter and Oshawott is the first mammal water starter. Just listing that might as well mean the other starters were anything but mammals instead of a trend. | |||
([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 00:25, 31 August 2013 (UTC)) | |||
== "Was" vs. "were" == | == "Was" vs. "were" == | ||
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:::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle "''Turtles are '''reptiles''' of the order Chelonii''" --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC) | :::Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle "''Turtles are '''reptiles''' of the order Chelonii''" --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC) | ||
*It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is. It isn't a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don't think that is the focus. It is the first grass starter mammal, let's just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that. Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don't. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren't the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC) | *It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is. It isn't a false statement. {{p|Piplup}} did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that {{p|Mudkip}} should have that mentioned, but I don't think that is the focus. It is the first grass starter mammal, let's just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that. Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don't. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren't the same. ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC) | ||
Birds are considered reptiles, even if Mudkip was a reptile the first non reptile water starter would be oshawott. | |||
([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 23:55, 17 September 2013 (UTC)). | |||
:Birds are not considered reptiles. They are a separate class of animals distinct from both mammals and reptiles. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 00:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
Incorrect, birds are under Archosauria, the same group as crocodiles, and theropoda, a subgroup of dinosaurs. Birds are reptiles. This information is relatively new and not widespread but I assure you ti is fact. It is true, however, that they do not follow the typical (antiquated) dictionary definition, and are only reptiles from a scientific standpoint. The entire reptile family had become so widespread that it is no longer specific, crocodiles aren't much closer to snakes than we are. In fact, the common dictionary definition of reptile directly conflicts with the dictionary definition of dinosaur, the entire group was named before we knew much about it. All of the new definitions are being rewritten because the group is so big you cannot include turtles, lizards, crocodiles, dinosaurs, and many of the other animals we consider reptiles as birds. ([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 20:09, 16 July 2014 (UTC)). | |||
::This discussion is long since over. Discussions with no replies are typically closed after six months, and the last reply on this one was nearly a year ago. That aside, this is a moot point now as we have been specifically given Chespin's origin. All of that aside, Archosauria still separates birds and crocodilians into distinct clades. It's still perfectly reasonably to consider them separately, particularly when scientific nomentclature is a constantly changing and adapting way of classification. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 05:03, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
My apologies for the necro. Not-so-recent studies have already proven birds lack any distinguishing or exclusive qualities to become entirely separate from reptiles (That is if one defines a dinosaur as a reptile), merely a lack of particular qualities. My point was never about Chespin's origin but the inaccurate information I saw. And yes the nomenclature is always changing, this is why the idea that birds are in any way separate from reptilia and the phylogenically-off term "reptiles" is outdated. They have far too much in common with later theropods to be considered a whole entire group on their own. The titles of bird and reptile date back to before we knew much about either creature at all, way back when frogs were considered reptiles because of their appearance. The term reptile is now starting to be equated to the scientific term reptilia for sake of convenience, as the original term was based on appearance and not science. If reptile=reptilia then birds are reptiles. If one actually considers then separate then they take a huge chunk of theropoda with them. ([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 08:55, 19 July 2014 (UTC)). | |||
== Artwork showing old version? == | == Artwork showing old version? == | ||
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== Menu Sprite == | == Menu Sprite == | ||
Is someone able to rip Chespin's menu sprite from this screenshot? http://www.serebii.net/xy/ | Is someone able to rip Chespin's menu sprite from this screenshot? --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
:Not until the game comes out. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Korean name for Chespin == | |||
Until the page gets unlocked... here's Chespin's [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_01.html Korean name]: 도치마론 ''Dochimaron'' -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Took me a little bit, but here's what ''Dochimaron'''s name (most likely) comes from: | |||
:* 고슴도치 ''goseumdochi'' (蝟, hedgehog; specifically the 도치 ''dochi'' part of it) | |||
:* 침 ''chim'' (針, needle) | |||
:* 마론 ''maron'' (French for chestnut) | |||
:It's sort of a translation of its Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
== For the record... == | |||
For the record, Chespin's Kalos Pokedex number is probably #1, and it's national pokedex number is probbly #650. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 23:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
:{{p|Victini|We don't assume those things}}. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
Couldn't you do something like put the number you think it might be, put it in question marks like a Spanish question, and then put a thing at the top saying this is what it might be, but it's not certain. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
:That would be speculation. It's better not to include information at all if it isn't definite. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Edit required- Pokédex classification == | |||
According to [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/ this], Chespin is the Spiny Nut Pokémon. The English site now has dex classifications for all Generation VI Pokémon. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 16:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Sprites == | |||
X and Y will not have sprites, so we need to put an image of the pokémon in game or at least something instead of putting a question mark. - {{unsigned|Water205}} | |||
:The games retain the party sprites from what we have seen so far. They will remain question marks until the games are released and a sprite can be obtained. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 02:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
But in Serebii.net , they actually have all Party Sprites and the Pokémon Front "Sprite" , it would be better if someone put them in all the Gen VI Pokémon. | |||
Here is the Link http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon.shtml {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}} | |||
:Serebii has asked sites to not take images from him, so using sprites from there is not likely to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 17:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
Sorry... But then , people need to gather and create a Project in here for Ripping the Sprites... | |||
This is going to be harder because there are no 3DS emulators... But we need the Sprites , it can't stay like that forever. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}} | |||
:A project isn't really the solution. The problem is that the only way to currently get the sprites is with a capture device which costs upwards of $300. If we have someone who can do that, that's one thing, but that isn't something we can rely on. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 21:47, 24 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Brown spot == | |||
On the back of his head chespin has a brown spot it can be seen in the game pictures when he uses leech seed and again in the anime trailer for X and Y just look at the side of his head as he does that with his spikes, should this be added to Physiology? --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 15:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
:You got to it before I did! Bah, how dare you! lol. Though it's pure speculation, I wonder if maybe that could be a gender difference, like {{p|Buizel}}. Anyway, [http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot2.gif here's] the spot from one scene of the anime preview. (And a "[http://www.tehkapi.tk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chespot.jpeg clean]" version, if you'd like.) --[[User:Tails0600|<span style="color:orange">Tails</span>]][[User talk:Tails0600|<span style="color:black">0600</span>]]'' 10:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
well either way for now it should be added since it is a part of chespins appearance if it turns out to be a gender difference it can always be changed.--[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 23:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
Well its not a gender difference in the demos i saw both genders of chespin and they both had the brown spot. --[[User:Pokemans 100|Pokemans 100]] ([[User talk:Pokemans 100|talk]]) 17:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Actually, re: Japanese name... == | |||
Possibly it can be noted that, on top of being a reference to "harinezumi", "hari" (針）itself is a word that means "needle/pin"? [[User:Harumei|Harumei]] ([[User talk:Harumei|talk]]) 15:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
:It already is noted? ''Hari'' has been in the origin section nearly from the start. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Odd shade of brown on 3D model == | |||
For the 3D model of this [[Pokémon]] in [[Pokémon X and Y]], the brown shade on it's body and head is lighter than the artwork depicts it as. --[[User:Tag365|Tag365]] ([[User talk:Tag365|talk]]) 13:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Many Pokémon have minor color differences between their artwork and sprites. It's not "odd" at all.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 13:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Base stats discrepancy == | |||
I noticed that the base stats on this page are not the same as the base stats listed on the [[LPBBS]] page. I'm not sure what we're allowed to use as sources for information here, so I'll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to change things. Same strange discrepancy actually with Inkay, but here it's only speed that's different. | |||
Anyone know what's going on? | |||
[[User:RevelationOrange|RevelationOrange]] ([[User talk:RevelationOrange|talk]]) 09:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Appears the user who added Chespin's stats to the list misread. Entry has been fixed. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 10:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Sun and Moon model == | |||
Shouldn't we use the 3D model images from ORAS and X&Y on the Sun and Moon part as well since it's all the same model? -- [[User:Wolfgerlion64|Wolfgerlion64]] ([[User talk:Wolfgerlion64|talk]]) 02:23, 30 January 2017 (UTC) | |||
:From what I have heard, the staff are not adding any Sun and Moon models until they are able to add all of them at once. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:45, 30 January 2017 (UTC) | |||