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:We still should have an article about it, if that's why you brought up the subject... | :We still should have an article about it, if that's why you brought up the subject... | ||
:Random subject is random? | :Random subject is random? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">T</span><span style="color:#FF69B4;">i</span><span style="color:#F6ADC6;">n</span><span style="color:#FFC0CB;">a</span>]]<sup>[[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|<span style="color:#FFC0CB;">☆</span>]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|<span style="color:#F6ADC6;">♥</span>]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#FF69B4;">♫</span>]]</sup> 20:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
:I think cheating is wrong, unless you are unable to obtain the pokemon any other way. for example, I live in Canada, and there is some sort of law preventing them from hosting events here. I am getting an action replay, but only to get event-only pokemon that it is physically impossible to get any other way. I even shelled out 30 bucks on a pokemon colosseum bonus disk because its less cheating than an action replay to get a Jirachi. Like my cousin said, It takes all the fun, challenge and fairness out of the game if you use it to get everything. [[User:Retasulettuce|Retasulettuce]] 02:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC) | :I think cheating is wrong, unless you are unable to obtain the pokemon any other way. for example, I live in Canada, and there is some sort of law preventing them from hosting events here. I am getting an action replay, but only to get event-only pokemon that it is physically impossible to get any other way. I even shelled out 30 bucks on a pokemon colosseum bonus disk because its less cheating than an action replay to get a Jirachi. Like my cousin said, It takes all the fun, challenge and fairness out of the game if you use it to get everything. [[User:Retasulettuce|Retasulettuce]] 02:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== Legitimate uses for cheats == | == Legitimate uses for cheats == | ||
I have not cheated, but thats cause I'm not smart enough to go find them. And I have no Gameshark. -- | I have not cheated, but thats cause I'm not smart enough to go find them. And I have no Gameshark. --[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|<span style="color:#008000;">'''Darth'''</span>]][[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|<span style="color:#FF0000;">'''Cookie'''</span>]][[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|<span style="color:#0000FF;">'''Monster'''</span>]] 22:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
Well, i have to say that i have a Arceus on my Diamond Game via Action Replay from a friend of mine. But that was only because i hated it that i couldn't get Event Pokémon. I'm seriously a fair player (i have completed a big part of the National Dex without cheating) [[User: Tomazzo| Tomazzo]] | Well, i have to say that i have a Arceus on my Diamond Game via Action Replay from a friend of mine. But that was only because i hated it that i couldn't get Event Pokémon. I'm seriously a fair player (i have completed a big part of the National Dex without cheating) [[User: Tomazzo| Tomazzo]] | ||
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I'm not a regular editor here, but I thought it best to remove the following sentence: | I'm not a regular editor here, but I thought it best to remove the following sentence: | ||
''Some Pokémon fans, mainly those with any sort of affection towards their Pokémon, view cheating as unethical, although this argument is widely ridiculed by more reluctant fans.'' | ''Some Pokémon fans, mainly those with any sort of affection towards their Pokémon, view cheating as unethical, although this argument is widely ridiculed by more reluctant fans.'' | ||
Aside from not making a lot of sense (what does 'reluctant' even mean in this context?), this shows some very obvious bias, suggesting that it's those with "any sort of affection towards their Pokémon" who view cheating as unethical. I realise this is a controversial topic, but there's no reason we can't approach it in a neutral, civil tone. '''[[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]]''' | Aside from not making a lot of sense (what does 'reluctant' even mean in this context?), this shows some very obvious bias, suggesting that it's those with "any sort of affection towards their Pokémon" who view cheating as unethical. I realise this is a controversial topic, but there's no reason we can't approach it in a neutral, civil tone. '''[[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]]'''<small>[[User_Talk:Bikini Miltank|<font color="#ff7755">Moo, I say.</font>]]</small> 13:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
== TCG? == | == TCG? == | ||
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Lots of people say "RNG is cheating" only because "bulbapedia says so!!"; similar to how we had to prove Serebii's 'confirmed' Shiny Zekrom/Reshiram false, having unsubstantiated text isn't the way to go. Do a Google search to see the various arguments around the net... the consensus is pretty clear. Uninformed plebs say RNG is cheating; those who actually know what RNG abuse is and how it works say it isn't. It's just manipulation. [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] ([[User talk:Kaphotics|talk]]) 11:43, 11 September 2013 (UTC) | Lots of people say "RNG is cheating" only because "bulbapedia says so!!"; similar to how we had to prove Serebii's 'confirmed' Shiny Zekrom/Reshiram false, having unsubstantiated text isn't the way to go. Do a Google search to see the various arguments around the net... the consensus is pretty clear. Uninformed plebs say RNG is cheating; those who actually know what RNG abuse is and how it works say it isn't. It's just manipulation. [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] ([[User talk:Kaphotics|talk]]) 11:43, 11 September 2013 (UTC) | ||
:"The primary complaint against cheating methods is that it takes no particular ability to exploit a glitch or enter a cheat code, and thus detracts from the point and spirit of the game, making it less enjoyable". Taken from the Criticism section of the article itself. While some may argue that RNG abuse isn't within the spirit of the game it, if anything, takes MORE skill and ability than standard play, and certainly more than using cheating devices such as Action Replays and Gamesharks. I decided to alter the description of RNG abuse in the main article as a result. I've not removed it completely, as people may still view it as cheating, but I tried my best to make it clear that views are mixed and that they should make their own opinion about it. | :"The primary complaint against cheating methods is that it takes no particular ability to exploit a glitch or enter a cheat code, and thus detracts from the point and spirit of the game, making it less enjoyable". Taken from the Criticism section of the article itself. While some may argue that RNG abuse isn't within the spirit of the game it, if anything, takes MORE skill and ability than standard play, and certainly more than using cheating devices such as Action Replays and Gamesharks. I decided to alter the description of RNG abuse in the main article as a result. I've not removed it completely, as people may still view it as cheating, but I tried my best to make it clear that views are mixed and that they should make their own opinion about it. [[User:Kyogreblast|Kyogreblast]] ([[User talk:Kyogreblast|talk]]) 00:49, 13 September 2013 (UTC) | ||
::IMO glitches don't belong here either. Cheating should be using any external device or software that is not intended to be used with the game. So using an alternate GTS is cheating (as you're using a server you're not supposed to be), but RNG manipulation is not. Understanding how the game works and using it to your advantage is not cheating. Would intentionally having a Pokémon with a high base speed stat use moves with a high critical hit rate in Generation I be considered cheating because you are using knowledge of game mechanics to your advantage? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:07, 14 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Pokédex Completion Consequence == | |||
In Pokémon Black 2 and White 2, using cheats to complete any Pokédex entry will result in the player being banned from the Dream World. I believe this should be added. [[User:NerfPlayeR135|NerfPlayeR135]] ([[User talk:NerfPlayeR135|talk]]) 00:18, 18 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
The only problem is that the pokedex can be completed by hacking if traded... the dream world probably wont recognize it. [[User:Pikachu3634|Pikachu3634]] ([[User talk:Pikachu3634|talk]]) 14:14, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||