"...previously referred to as Gary in early manuals..." I checked a few of my manuals:
- English Red: refers to him as "rival"
- English Blue: refers to him as "rival"
- Japanese Blue: refers to him as "Red (rival)"
- Japanese Yellow: refers to him as "Blue (rival)"
So, is the piece about him being referred to as Gary referring to the instruction manuals somewhere, or to players guides? --Meowth346
Interesting. I was going off an official Nintendo strategy guide from Red/Blue. It said Gary in every instance. I said early because in a yellow version one I used to have it no longer said Gary and switched to either Blue or Rival, can't remember which. But if in the actual manuals it's not mentioned, then it should probably be taken out. --greengiant
Ah yes, I may know the strategy guide. The anime came out before the games by about a month in the US, so that may be why they chose to use "Ash" and "Gary" -- or even because they knew kids would be used to the anime regardless of when it came out. --Meowth346
Haha. Yeah I have a couple "official" guides that always refers to him as Gary, never "your rival". Which always annoyed me. The only use those guides serve is as an attack reference anyway. - Ferret 09:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
>Shouldn't he be taken out of the anime characters category? - Zeta
Unfortunately, "Anime Category" is bound to the "Gym Leader" category. If you want to remove it from the anime category, and ensure each Gym Leader properly has this category where applicable, that'd be great. I don't have time at the moment to do it myself. Janine falls into the same spot as being listed in anime -- or was she in it? --Meowth346
Am I the only person who noticed that they officially changed his name back to Green in FRLG? Fishman 21:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
- They did, but until GSDS confirms that with him as an NPC, we can't change it back. Satosuke 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Blue's Charizard
Why does this page list Blue's Charizard as having Aerial Ace in Red/Blue/Green? Aerial Ace wasn't introduced until 3rd Generation. I don't know what it should be, but it definitely isn't Aerial Ace. --ZellMurasame 02:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah... someone likely took the data straight from FRLG. Anyway... we'll need someone to fix that. TTEchidna
GSDS! 03:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Looks like there was another error with Blue's Charizard that's been hanging there since forever. It was listed as having Dragon Dance, which was introduced in GenII. So I assume it knew Flamethrower instead, but if anyone has a R/B version where they can challenge Blue at Route 22, then I'd be much obliged if they checked me on that. Or, if someone can simply find confirmation on its moves, but I don't know where they might find that. Satosuke 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm.....
Okay, in Yellow, we know that how Blue evolves Eevee depends on the first two battles. (battle 1=Prof Oak's lab, battle 2=Route 22)
Jolteon: Win battles 1 and 2
Vaporeon: Lose battle 1, lose/skip battle 2
Flareon: Win battle 1, lose/skip battle 2
BUT! What if the player loses the first battle and then wins the second battle? Does Blue not evolve Eevee at all? Is its evolution chose randomly? I lost my Yellow Version YEARS ago, so I couldn't find out myself. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 23:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- It's not based specifically on each individual battle. It's based on the number of times you beat him. If you beat him both times, then it's Jolteon. If you beat him one time, it's Flareon. If you didn't beat him either time, it's Vaporeon. Satosuke 16:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
A few things
The tables of his Pokémon are a bit too much. Any way to fix it? It's annoying to load. Also, in the table for other names, there's an extra column. Lastly, Gary has more than one sprite in the games where he's a rival. tc26 02:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- It's Blue, not Gary. And we've changed the sprites for his Final Confrontation as Champion for RB. Originally, his RB sprite was used for the yellow tables, because neither Bulbapedia, nor anywhere else on the internet, or so it seems, has the yellow trainer sprites. So I'm ripping them and uploading them as I go. But that means it will take me a bit of time to get to the Championship battle in Yellow, so I'll upload it when I get there (I'm currently at Bill's House in Yellow, but I'm speedplaying).
- Oh, and about the tables being a bit too much, that's the new standard for Bulbapedia. The old version of the pages had just the species names and levels for each encounter, and maybe the moves for the final encounter. So deal with the levels, because it's a real pain to make, and we're not going to revert all that hard work we've done over the last several days. Satosuke 13:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- Starting with battle 4 there's a new Blue sprite in Yellow and FRLG, and most likely RB. There's also a third (champion) sprite. Just thought I'd throw that out. Gligar 21:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's why I changed the sprite for Battle 4 in Yellow. There are NO Yellow Trainer sprites, save the ones I've been uploading these past weeks. Give me some time, and I'll get you some sprites. Satosuke 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
So... Perhaps due to Tc26's complaint back on the 19th, or simply perhaps because we're goin gto have a new standard, TTEchidna has changed the charts on the Brock Page so as that the tables show more information, the version sprites, and can be hid. Shall we do this for Blue as well? Satosuke 18:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
- I like it a lot better than the other one, personally. It's much more detailed. What do you think? Okoa 03:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Champion
This article claims "It is a mystery who Blue's predecessor as Champion was." however, isn't it supposed to be a twist that Blue is the Champion and the player is expecting themselves to be the Champion after beating Lance? Also, I'm sure Lance implies that Blue is the first person to defeat the Elite Four... so surely we are to believe that Blue did not have a predecessor as Champion?
- I agree. It was only by second generation that "Champion" became a title for a standard character, who remains champion for good (though I guess Daigo got ousted by Mikuri, but we'll let that one slide...). The original games imply that beating Wataru makes the player the champion. I quote: "Congratulations, [player], you are now the new Champion! ...Or, you would have been, ...etc." RGBY imply that one only needs to beat the Four Heavenly Kings to become the Pokémon League Champion, but from GSC on, the current Champion was a role that was expected to be faced after the Shitenno. In a way, they (the game designers) decided that the Lord of the Four Heavenly Kings (in myth, the Shitenno always serve a master) was as much an important role so it really becomes more like 5 elite trainers, though I guess they are supposed to serve whoever is the current greatest. The fact the Champion stays on until you decide to not challenge the Shitenno any more and move on to the next game (after which you, the player, truly is the champion, as we see that Red was Champion during the years between RGBY and GSC), the role of Champion seems more like the game designers didn't know what they were going to do with it from then on. Wataru's sudden appearance as the Champion is somewhat of a twist too; if he's a wandering trainer and no longer a member of the Shitenno, it's a surprise that he's the champion. Similarly Daigo, Mikuri, and Shirona all have plot-related roles, and thus are the surprise ending Champions. But at the time of RGBY, they didn't really know they would be using these non-rival Champions, so we can't really say that there had to have been a Champion before Green. Satosuke 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Generation III Champion sprite
Down in the Trivia section, it says that Generation III does not give Blue a separate Champion sprite, and I just wanted to point out that that's not true; it's just that no one's uploaded Blue's other FR/LG sprites. Anyways, I didn't want to start an edit war or anything, so I thought I'd point it out first. Okoa 17:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
- True. How could anyone write such bullshit? I just LOVE it when so-called "fans" jump into conclusion. And that's all from someone's laziness. Thanks for pointing this out, otherwise Bulbapedia would have yet another false information. --Maxim 17:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ahhh, that looks so much better. Thank you for uploading them! Okoa 18:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Quotes
Do we only have Blue's Champion quote because those are the only ones we could find or because otherwise the page would become overcrowded? Atm, I'm actually looking for all of his quotes, does anyone know where I can find this without playing through the entirety of Red & Gold? Gastlys mama 23:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- [1] [2] IIMarckus 21:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks! Gastlys mama 22:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Brown?
His eyes look black-ish to me. Red's,and Leaf's,eyes look brown. Lovely Rose 00:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Page size
Do you think this page is a little too big? My browser freaks out when I visit it. Maybe the sprites should be hidden. This page is current 107 kbs long, more than 3 times the recommended size. --ケンジのガール 06:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Idea For the Size
I just had an idea for the size. Why not split it up like this:
Blue (game)/Red and Blue
Blue (game)/Yellow
Blue (game)/FireRed and LeafGreen
Or something along those lines. This will significantly reduce the page sizes. SL-samacontribs 18:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- But it would be for his teams only (something like what we have for Pokemon movesets). Because it would be useless to have separate articles on Blue's character in every game. --Maxim 19:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- That would be an idea to go on... Problem is, how would we do so? TTEchidna 22:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps just like the subpages for the old movesets. So like "Blue (game)/Red and Blue teams" etc. GSC probably could stay in the article and just give a main article link for the other three. — THE TROM — 22:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Just like what Trom said, that's what I was going for. And, yes, I meant the teams. But if it would compress the size of the article even more, we could also just put the whole thing in the subpages and leave a link so people can get to them. Like {{main|Blue (game)/In Red and Blue}}. SL-samacontribs 02:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
- But having a whole article like a big signpost just seems silly to me. All the character stuff, names and etceteras should stay on the page because it's the same info for every game. — THE TROM — 05:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
- If you're concerned about it being a bunch of redirects, I don't see why the sections can't be expanded to talk about his role in each game, and a box with a link off to the right side linking to his team page for that game. Right now, the page is (ironically) a lot of red. --Raijinili 13:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- Because someone didn't change the template's colors and went with the default. TTEchidna 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- I have an idea. We could make a different page for his Stadium teams. GreenGyarados
- Because someone didn't change the template's colors and went with the default. TTEchidna 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- If you're concerned about it being a bunch of redirects, I don't see why the sections can't be expanded to talk about his role in each game, and a box with a link off to the right side linking to his team page for that game. Right now, the page is (ironically) a lot of red. --Raijinili 13:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- But having a whole article like a big signpost just seems silly to me. All the character stuff, names and etceteras should stay on the page because it's the same info for every game. — THE TROM — 05:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
- Just like what Trom said, that's what I was going for. And, yes, I meant the teams. But if it would compress the size of the article even more, we could also just put the whole thing in the subpages and leave a link so people can get to them. Like {{main|Blue (game)/In Red and Blue}}. SL-samacontribs 02:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps just like the subpages for the old movesets. So like "Blue (game)/Red and Blue teams" etc. GSC probably could stay in the article and just give a main article link for the other three. — THE TROM — 22:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- That would be an idea to go on... Problem is, how would we do so? TTEchidna 22:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
RBG section prototype
Blue and Red have been rivals ever since they were babies. Before leaving for his journey, he lived in Pallet Town, just like Red.
The player first meets Blue at Professor Oak's lab, where he and Red were asked to come. Oak offers the two of them one Pokémon each, with Red having first choice from Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charmander. After Red chooses a Pokémon, Blue chooses the one with a type advantage over Red's. He then brags that his Pokémon looks much stronger. When Red is about to leave, Blue challenges him to a battle. Whatever the outcome, Blue declares his intention to train his Pokémon, and leaves.
Soon, Professor Oak calls the two of them back to give them Pokédexes, and tells them of his dream to categorize all Pokémon in the world with their help. Blue says he can do it by himself, and tells his sister, Daisy, not to give Red a Town Map (she does so anyway, not acknowledging his words).
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It isn't until they meet up again in Lavender Town's Pokémon Tower that Blue's initial choice affects the rest of his team, where he switches out his Raticate and switches in Pokémon of the two types he didn't initially choose (Exeggcute, Gyarados, and Growlithe for Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charmander), bringing a sort of type balance to his team.
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After beating the Elite Four, Red finds out from Lance that Blue was one step ahead of him, and is now the Champion. He proceeds into the final battle room to find Blue visibly more mature and with all of his Pokémon in their final evolutions, and he claims that his team could beat any type. Blue brags that he is the most powerful trainer in the world, and the battle starts.
Version-specific nomenclature
Based on the default names in FireRed and LeafGreen, should version-specific incidences of this character (namely his FR/LG battles) carry "Green" in place? Also, from up top of this page, it's interesting that the Japanese Yellow uses "Blue" for rival default (and helps me to rationalize G/S/C use of Blue, since I'm a Yellow supporter above all first-gen versions (but this is all beside the point)). TJF588 23:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- Third versions always use the second version name for the rival (except RSE, which named the rival Brendan/May). As for his name changing to Green based on FRLG, well, we pretty much decided to wait until the almost completely inevitable GSDS to see if that has him as Green or Blue, and then use that. TTEchidna 09:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Optional names change in every game. That's not really a good base to debate anything. Only NPC appearance names count as canonical names. That means that his name is Blue. --Maxim 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well that too. TTEchidna 09:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- According to his article, he had Blue as a default name in the Japanese Yellow, despite officially being Green there. The fact that he has Green as a default name in FireRed might not be any different, so we should wait for an English translation of HeartGold and SoulSilver. --Evice 04:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
- Well that too. TTEchidna 09:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Optional names change in every game. That's not really a good base to debate anything. Only NPC appearance names count as canonical names. That means that his name is Blue. --Maxim 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
So about calling him "Green"
Let it be known that if he is in fact named as Green in HGSS's English translation (he will be in HGSS's Japanese, because he's always been Green there) this is moving to Green. Same goes for Janine if they rename her in HGSS (please don't, NoA). TTEchidna 23:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
- He will always be Blue to me, but that IS logical. I can’t see anyone having a problem with it that doesn’t boil down to aesthetics/nostalgia. I hope he stays Blue in the games though. --WikidSmaht 13:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Separating the article
As they said, this article is too long. Maybe u should seperate the battle into a new page. Naming it, "Battle with Blue (Games)" And this page should be rename "Blue (Game)(Main)" --Ruixiang95 08:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- I think if we do split the article it should just be generation I, then every generation above that on a different article. We really could compress it though. - unsigned comment from MasterKenobi (talk • contribs)
- Just a separate parties page for the Gen I battles and the Gen III aside-from-final battles. Meaning we'd have the Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur parties, as well as the GS party, which we'd move to the past party page when we get his HGSS party. But let's wait until we get his HGSS party to do so, so we can do less edits. TTEchidna 00:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- Splitting off the previous generation party lists to other articles, much like in the same vein as Pokémon's movesets from previous generations are split off is definitely what's needed here. Moving off the Gen I lists to Blue (game)/Generation I parties and the Stadium lists to blue (game)/Pokémon Stadium parties for example, should vastly reduce the size of the article.
- Darn these multi-generation recurring characters... TheChrisD Rants•Edits 12:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- Just a separate parties page for the Gen I battles and the Gen III aside-from-final battles. Meaning we'd have the Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur parties, as well as the GS party, which we'd move to the past party page when we get his HGSS party. But let's wait until we get his HGSS party to do so, so we can do less edits. TTEchidna 00:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
about his sprites...
In the FRLG section, he changes into 3 different types. Is this true in the game or what? (I never played gen 3 b4) ---> 223☆Dåv]d 15:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)