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==Is this trivia worthy?==

Is it worth noting that Froakie is Ash's first Pokémon that was originally own by another trainer before being released that is not a Fire-type? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 13:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

== Frubble ==

Frubble is dat word from a episode? which the character say this? --[[User:Altruis|<span style="color:#EEB422">Altruis</span>]] [[User talk:Altruis|<sub><span style="color:#551A8B">''でんき''</span></sub>]] 08:07, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
:Clemont. [[XY001]] <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 08:39, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

==Only Starter==
Is it notable that this is Ash's only Kalos starter? The series is really new, so he might get another one. It's unlikely for two main characters to have the same Pokémon, but May and Ash both have Bulbasaur. --[[User:WyndFox|<span style="color:#992232">Wynd</span>]] [[User talk:WyndFox|<span style="color:2B65EC">Fox</span>]] 21:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
: Not quite sure; Sceptile was Ash's only Hoenn starter, but that face isn't mentioned, so I don't think we should add it here. '''<span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em">[[User:ZappaOMati|<font color="#0000FF">Zappa</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati|<font color="#00FF00">O</font>]][[User talk:ZappaOMati|<font color="#FF0000">Mati</font>]]</span>''' 15:30, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== Quick Attack ==

Shouldn't we wait to add Quick Attack given he didn't actually use it correctly yet?? He hasn't used the full move even once yet.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 04:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
:Yes it did, alongside Frogadier, but unlike Frogadier, Froakie was countered by Team Rocket. Plus, Ash commanded it to use it and it did use it a few times, watch the episode!!--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:38, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I've watched it lol. Ash commanded him to use it but he never actually used the whole attack. Not the way Frogadier or Pikachu use it at least. He started to learn in it this episode, he hasn't learned it fully yet.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 11:23, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

== froakie IS male  ==

In the episode where ash and friends visit a kindagarten, sylveon uses attract on froakie. Later, meowth falls in love with sylveon. Therefore sylveon is female, meaning froakie must be male. {{unsigned|Lu-igi board}}
:That's no plausible evidence. We're not (and will never be) 100% sure on that particular Sylveon's gender, ''even if'' Meowth fell in love with it. We don't add genders on assumption. <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:Red">☼ Blazing</span>[[User talk:Blazingfist|<span style="color:red">Fist ☼</span>]]</span> 11:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
::But Meowth is obviously a male, and Attract ''only'' works on the opposite gender, therefore Sylveon MUST be female and Froakie MUST be male. --[[User:SuperPikaBros|Super]][[User talk:SuperPikaBros|Pika]][[Special:Contributions/SuperPikaBros|Bros]] 14:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Froakie was the one inflicted with Attract. Meowth was never targeted with that move in that episode. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:20, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Meowth still fell in love with the Sylveon, though, Attract or not. That's gotta mean Sylveon's female, and since the obviously female Sylveon's Attract worked on Froakie, there you go. Or is there a reason it's not that simple? Because I have a feeling that if it was that simple, we wouldn't be discussing this. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 14:36, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::Meowth fell in love with a male Purrloin back in BW044, so we can't assume that Sylveon is female. Like the aforementioned Purrloin, it could be male for all we know. [[User:Uncle Edit|He&#39;s here! The one and only...Uncle Edit!]] ([[User talk:Uncle Edit|talk]]) 14:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::Oh, yeah, forgot about that. Alright, then, yeah I'd say that Froakie's gender remains unconfirmed, though is still pretty likely to be male IMO. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 04:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Why does the rules for confirming gender have to be so strict?  º_º' Like, why can't we just figure gender out by looking at the behavior of the Pokémon? Or at least verify gender through it's voice?  [[Trip's Snivy]] and [[Ash's Snivy]] had different voices, with Ash's having the girl-like voice and Trip's having the more boyish voice.    --[[User:Rikeo|<span style="color:Orange">リック</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|<span style="color:Purple">EO</span>]] ([[User talk:Rikeo|<span style="color:Grey"><small>オープン for discussion</small></span>]]) 07:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::We don't confirm genders based on behavior or voices because we could still be wrong. For all we know, Trip's Snivy can really just be a very masculine female.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 07:27, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::Actually in some cases we can. DuArt has confirmed numerous times that they have Pokémon voices universal. So in Snivy's case, Michele Knotz ''always'' is the voice of female Snivy, and so on. However, Froakie is an unconfirmed case, so the same can't apply here until there's more confirmation. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 07:29, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

== When Froakie evolves... ==
Can someone put in the trivia section that Frogadier is Ash's first Water-type starter Pokémon to evolve? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 03:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

:Once the episode airs, sure.  --[[User:Rikeo|<span style="color:Orange">リック</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|<span style="color:Purple">EO</span>]] ([[User talk:Rikeo|<span style="color:Grey"><small>My message board</small></span>]]) 04:27, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

== It's out ==

The episode is out now. Could somebody unprotect and move the page now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

== Frogadier's moves ==

With the new release of [[XY052]], Frogadier has learned Aerial Ace, and so far that was only move shown (possibly Cut as well, but I'm not sure about that one), so I changed it to only Aerial Ace being the recent move, however a user, JasonL changed it to Water Pulse, Bubble and Cut also being recent, since a Pokémon can only know four moves, I only put down Aerial Ace as recent since we cannot speculate on the other 3 moves kept until we see them in a episode (I wasn't sure what he meant by "Just think of the moves as so far" in his/her edit summary). Can anyone else confirm if I'm right or wrong since I don't want to start an edit war S 16:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC) - StephenWalker97

: Before Evolution, Froakie only used Water Pulse, Cut and Double Team so far, but didn't use Bubble. After it evolved it used Cut and that other move I'm not sure if its Aerial Ace or something else.--JasonL 23:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

:: Not related to JasonL's post (and put :, ::, ::: when you add a new edit/discussion of text), but to those who keep adding Water Pulse and Double Team as recent, don't, even if its confirmed by other sources e.g. CoroCoro in a episode preview, you don't add it as recent until the episode in which Frogadier uses the new move airs. [[User:StephenWalker97|StephenWalker97]] ([[User talk:StephenWalker97|talk]]) 17:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not involved, but...just wondering.  If it's already known in the Japanese dub that, let's say, in [[XY055]] Frogadier uses Water Pulse (I'm not saying it does, I'm just saying let's assume it), why are we not putting that in now?  Is it just something to do with waiting for the English dub to air before updating the article?  The reason I ask is because articles on the various Pokémon are already updated based on happenings in episodes not aired in English; see [[Ash's Goomy]] for example.  (And kind of a spoiler now.)  So if we're trying to prevent spoilers, then Japanese airings should not update in here at all.  Otherw3ise it's a double standard.

:::If I have the reasoning wrong, please enlighten me.  [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

One of our thesis is right Frogadier did use  Water Pulse, Double Team,  Cut and Aerial Ace.--JasonL 15:15, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's New Move ==

Did Frogadier learned Aerial Ace? It's hard to tell because I saw one of its arms glow blue and it did some kicks. And I know it used Cut.--JasonL 23:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

== Proof for Frogadier's English VA ==
[https://twitter.com/BillyBobThomps/status/572139550396575744] [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:20, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
:Didn't specify Ash's Frogadier. Thompson may have thought they were talking about Frogadier in general.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 02:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

== Greninja ==

Hey guys, it's looking like Frogadier is gonna be evolving into Greninja sometime soon: [http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/surprise-2/cabinet/16cl/16cl-0010.jpg link][[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 03:22, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

:You might be right althought Frogadier's evolution into Greninja might be little bit late
:Thanks to Data broadcast we know he won't evolve not before 93 episode, after that sure he might.
:Cool pic where you get it  {{unsigned|Makarov5}}

::Well, that would be a spoiler if I've ever seen one.  We had this with Fletchinder's evolution, as well, I think.  At least, I think it was Fletchinder; it evolved just before the movie.  [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 00:06, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Conflicting Perspective in Regards to Evolution ==

I remember that it was said that changes to articles of Pokemon evolving were "protected" and not changed to prevent speculation from getting rampant. But I don't see how its considered speculation when official sources straight out say that a main character's Pokemon is going to evolve. Like here, Frogadier is evolving into Greninja, there's no speculation here, it's been 110% confirmed by official sources. But then I thought about something else, is the actual reason why these type of articles remain the same until the evolution occurs because the evolution hasn't actually happened yet? I feel as if that makes more sense than because it doesn't change because it's cracking down on speculation that articles remain they way they are until the actual episode airs. I just realized now, how weird it is, to say that an article is protected because of speculation crackdown rather than maintaining the current (as of now) status of said Pokemon.  --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] ([[User talk:Dman dustin|talk]]) 17:30, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:When you consider that the evolution is at an unspecified future time and nothing is known about the situation or the changes in personality, it would all be speculation. The only information (using Frogadier/Greninja as an example) that we know for a fact right now is that the evolution will occur in the future and that even further in the future it can take on a new form. So with that limited information, it is pretty pointless to post that an evolution will occur in the future, as it is going to be a very small amount of information that is very likely to provoke speculation (which it seems to have in the past). Of course I'm a newer member here, and this is just my view of it from glancing around, but it makes sense to call it speculation to me.[[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 17:57, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
::Information regarding things like evolution is not added to Bulbapedia's anime-related articles until it actually happens. I don't really have an answer for the speculation part though. [[User:Aggron989|<span style="color:#858585;">''AGG''</span>]][[User talk:Aggron989|<span style="color:#858585;">''RON''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|<span style="color:#444444;">''989''</span>]] 19:36, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I believe ChE clarinetist pretty much hit the nail on the head. When protecting articles, Administrators are given a drop down menu with a few general pre-written reasons that you can click on when protecting because it's easier/quicker when protecting numerous articles, "speculation crackdown" is one of them. So, while we do know that the evolution is confirmed, there's a lot about it that we don't know either. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]]''''' 20:33, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

== Egg ==

Since the latest episode showed Frogadier's Egg, shouldn't this be added into the infobox by someone who can still edit the page? Obviously with an "unknown amount of episodes" duration. '''''<font color="#705898"><sub>[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...</sub> [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''</font> 18:42, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
:Yes it should be. When the egg was added to the page whoever did it didn't finish the job. Just ask an admin.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 19:34, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand the trivia about being hatch from egg don't all pokemon hatch from egg. Shouldn't we say this is the first Ash pokemon to been showed hatch from egg as starter.  --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 11:52, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Shouldnt it--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 04:54, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:It already says that it's Ash's first starter to hatch from an egg.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 05:38, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== His japanese name is Gekogashira, please change this ==

Source -> [http://p3.i.ntere.st/436a62393aa8a02965b199df2a62af33_480.jpg]. They have passed several hours and I cannot edit it... Do it, please :'D --[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 18:22, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja ==

I personally think Greninja's "Ash-Greninja" form should have its own section. 

Can there be one?--      --[[User:Handmaiden 101|<span style="color:red">Handmaiden 101</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|<span style="color:red">tAlk</span>]])''</small> 20:39, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:Did the episode explain what exactly it is or how it affects Greninja? <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 21:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::No, not really. It appears momentarily and was briefly discussed at the end by the ninjas, but I don't think it was anything important. I just think it should have its own section since this is the first time anything like it has happened, not to mention specifically exclusive to Ash's Greninja. As it gets more insight during the episodes Greninja transforms, that's when a section should be made. I was just asking beforehand.--      --[[User:Handmaiden 101|<span style="color:red">Handmaiden 101</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|<span style="color:red">tAlk</span>]])''</small> 23:55, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Greninja "revealed" to have hatched from an egg ==

Okay I think that piece of trivia is pointless. It's been made obvious on multiple occasions that ''all'' Pokémon hatch from eggs even in the anime as evidenced here: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_Egg#In_the_anime so every Pokémon Ash has hatched from an egg including all of the starters he has. Not a single Pokémon is an exception and no Pokémon ever will be. Not counting clones obviously because that is a completely different situation.{{unsigned|Flain}}
:I have to agree here. The trivia directly implies that "it is not confirmed that Ash's other starter Pokémon have hatched from an Egg", which is very redundant statement to readers since all normal Pokémon hatch from an Egg. If we're not removing the trivia, at least change it to "Greninja is Ash's first starter Pokémon to have been seen as an Egg." or something. Just because something is technically true doesn't mean it's not notable.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 19:56, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
::Thank Arceus someone agrees with me. [[User:Flain|Flain]] ([[User talk:Flain|talk]]) 22:41, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
:::Rewording is fine, but the trivia is still valid. And it technically is unconfirmed that Ash's other starters hatched from an egg, especially the kanto crew, since eggs weren't a thing in Gen I.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 04:57, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
:::: Dude it doesn't even matter whether or not eggs were introduced at the time. Okay you know what? How about this: if at any point I show you evidence that that at least one of Ash's Pokémon hatched from an egg or if it's proven in the show than you have to admit that you were wrong about everything and I was right. I think that sounds fair don't you? And I'm just trying to find a way to permanently end this dispute just so you know. {{unsigned|Flain}}
::::: Um, yes it does. It's the exact same reason with the genders, Pokémon [with Gender Differences] caught before Gen VI don't have their genders because Gender Differences weren't a thing when they were caught. Same thing here. One of Ash's '''STARTER''' (not just a Pokémon). Unless they reveal that one of Ash's other '''starter''' Pokémon hatched from an egg, then yes, it's unnotable. And I'm singling out starter Pokémon because Ash has plenty of those.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 07:50, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::You have no idea what I think about you right now.[[User:Flain|Flain]] ([[User talk:Flain|talk]]) 08:05, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::It's been confirmed in both the games and the anime that each Pokémon comes from an Egg. I'm fine with rewording the trivia point, but I think it should be removed from the infobox as it gives the idea that Ash obtained Froakie as an Egg prior to the events of XY001, when he didn't. Every Pokémon was an Egg at some point in time, mentioning it in the infobox is pointless, that parameter should be used to a Pokémon that actually hatched under Ash's care, otherwise it's just stating the obvious. --[[User:Mikuri|<span style="color:#2b915e;">'''Mi'''</span>]][[User talk: Mikuri|<span style="color:#52cc91;">'''ku'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|<span style="color:#8debbc;">'''ri'''</span>]] 14:26, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
::About Gen I, well...
[[File:Misty Togepi.png|thumb|250px|left]] --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:55, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
::: well, May's Eevee had an egg, so that validates that Gen I pokemon also come from egg [[User:Upratik 12|<I><span style="color:red">Pr</span><span style="color:blue">at</span><span style="color:green">ik_12</span></I>]] <sub>''  [[User talk:Upratik 12|<span style="color:violet">Talk</span>]]''</sub> 14:56, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Ash never had Primeape as a Mankey, yet we mention it because it was a Mankey at one point. Same here, we mention the egg because it was shown to have hatched from an egg. The trivia is about what is revealed and what isn't, all Pokémon hatch from eggs, but Greninja is the first '''starter''' to have its egg revealed.
::::Ah, Togepi. There's a reason why I forgot it. And Eevee was caught well after Eggs were introduced. All Pokémon come from eggs, it's a question of whether the anime will outright show it (the egg).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 15:40, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
You know you kinda just admitted I was right don't you?[[User:Flain|Flain]] ([[User talk:Flain|talk]]) 16:03, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
:... You were never wrong? All you've pointed out is that all Pokémon hatched from eggs. All I'm saying is that Greninja is the first '''starer''' to havve that '''revealed'''.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 16:06, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}} I'm agreeing with what Mikuri said.  We don't really need to say that Froakie hatched from an egg an unknown number of episodes before.  Makes it seem like it happened when it was with Ash.  Otherwise, we might as well put that in front of all the other 100+ Pokémon bio pages because sure enough, almost everyone else hatched from an egg an unknown number of episodes ago. --[[User:Rikeo|<span style="color:#1FA2A9">'''リック'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|<span style="color:#A9851F">'''EO'''</span>]] [[User talk:Rikeo|<span style="color:#A91F1F"><small>(メッセージ)</small></span>]] 17:42, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
:But on Ash's Primeape's and Ash's Krookodile's page it's mentioned in their infobox they had been a Mankey and a Sandile, despite not being Ash's at the time. This is because they have seen as a Mankey and a Sandile. Greninja has been seen as an Egg, so I think it's worth mentioning in the infobox. Also in the infobox of Iris's Axew it's mentioned it has spent an unknown number of episodes in its egg, because it has been explicitly said to have hatched from an egg, just like Greninja. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 18:08, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
::Like Mikuri and Rikeo said, attempting to shoehorn Greninja's Egg form (and also [[Iris's Axew]]) into the "Egg obtained" field is just ''bad''; Iris and Ash plainly never ''had''/"obtained" those Eggs. If you really want that info in the infobox, you probably need to add a new/alternative type of field to the template instead.
::(FWIW) "Hatches in" is also a problematic field to use IMO; ''"Hatches in: prior to [the start of the series]"'' is just nothing but bad. [[James's Victreebel]] also has the same sort of problem with ''"Evolves in: Prior to The Breeding Center Secret"'', and probably others do. In these sort of places, y'all are again trying to shoehorn in flashback info where it plainly wasn't intended and doesn't strictly fit. Those fields are meant for when it happens in the normal course of the show, like [[Ash's Primeape]] or [[Misty's Togetic]]. But, since this perhaps has wider-ranging effects, I'm not going to insist too hard that that practice change or be "fixed" somehow... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:49, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I agree with this. {{unsigned|Flain}}

== Episodes spent as an Egg ==

The only logical number for "number of episodes Greninja spent as an Egg" is 0. (Given the rest of the infobox at this point, at least.)

The other parameters all count the number of episodes when a Pokemon ''has been seen''.

Froakie was caught in [[XY002]]. It evolved in [[XY052]]. 052 - 002 + 1 = 51 episdoes spent as Froakie, ''that were seen''. No accounting is allowed there for any vague amount of time before Froakie's debut.

So long as that remains the same, the ''only'' logical number for Greninja's time as an Egg is 0.

If, I suppose, you want to change the parameter for time spent as Froakie to allow that Greninja may have spent more than 51 episodes as Froakie (and likewise for every other Pokemon that has ''ever'' evolved since its Trainer captured it or it debuted), I suppose that's fine. But that solution seems rather the worse option to me. Especially since it's almost surely a larger set of Pokemon (i.e., changes required) than "those that were seen in earlier forms in flashbacks".

The infobox should say that Greninja spent 0 episodes as an Egg. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:26, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

:By saying that Froakie was in its egg for 0 episodes would mean that the egg was obtained and hatched in the same episode, and we are not sure if that happened.  --[[User:Rikeo|<span style="color:#1FA2A9">'''リック'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|<span style="color:#A9851F">'''EO'''</span>]] [[User talk:Rikeo|<span style="color:#A91F1F"><small>(メッセージ)</small></span>]] 23:04, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
::That's faulty logic.
::Firstly, by that logic, since Greninja spent 51 episodes as Froakie, then Froakie must have hatched from its Egg right before XY002. You don't know that at all.
::Secondly, that's also treating its time spent as an Egg differently from its time spent as Froakie. If you only want to count the episodes where it was ''explicitly'' seen for its time as Froakie, you must do the same for its Egg. And when you do that, the only logical answer for its time as an Egg is 0.
::And if someone makes the wrong conclusion as you suggest (especially in a case like this): who cares? There's a difference between what it means and what you think it means, and in this case I don't think the latter necessarily matters. Ultimately at any rate, the worse thing is to treat time-as-an-Egg and time-as-Froakie differently: that is ''purely'' wrong, not just subjectively (and maybe) wrong. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:21, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I do not understand why we are listing the time as an egg in the infobox in the first place honestly. From my understanding, I thought we've only listed the stages that appeared while under the trainer's possession. For example, on Ash's Noctowl's page, we don't list "this Pokémon spent an unknown amount of episodes as a HootHoot". I understand how the situations are technically different, since the egg was shown in a flashback, but this Pokemon was a Froakie when it first came into Ash's possession, which is what I think should be the start of the listing in the infobox. It's been established by this point in the series that Pokémon come from eggs, just like it's been established that Pokémon evolve to reach higher stages. Just like it's obvious that Ash's Noctowl evolved from Hoothoot that evolved from an egg at some point, I think it's just unnecessarily messy to try to calculate and list the time spent as an egg. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]]''''' 03:12, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Honestly, I agree with that sentiment as well. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:04, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::Again, Primeape. Ash '''never''' had Primeape as a Mankey, but we still mention it because it was a Mankey at one point. Noctowl may have a been a Hoothoot at one point, but we have no evidence of that. We have evidence of Mankey, no evidence of Hoothoot. The infobox is about the '''individual''', '''not''' the amount of time the individual spent with their trainer.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 04:39, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::FWIW, I get that, personally. Primeape was seen as Mankey in the normal course of the show (not in a flashback), so sure, it can fit in the infobox&mdash;the infobox is rather explicitly designed to handle that ("Debuts in"). What it's not designed to handle is flashback info...
::::::And, to gracelessly re-present the original point: The infobox should say that Greninja spent 0 episodes as an Egg. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:23, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Once again I don't care how old the comment is. You said "Noctowl may have a been a Hoothoot at one point" but the fact is that Noctowl WAS a Hoothoot before it debuted there is no 'may have' about it. It's one of the things that doesn't need to be proven because it's just plain common sense. You guys need to get that get that through your heads and quit living in denial about this stuff. {{unsigned|Flain}}

== First of Ash's Pokémon To Know An HM Move ==

Is Greninja the first Pokémon that Ash owns to know an HM attack? And if so, is that trivia worthy?[[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
:[[Ash's Torterra]] knows {{m|Rock Climb}}. --[[User:Carmenstar97|<span style="color:#95EB5C">Carmen<small>★</small></span>]] <small>''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|<span style="color:#FEBEE8">(Talk |</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|<span style="color:#A6DAFC">contribs)</span>]]''</small> 20:51, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
:: {{AP|Gible}} also knew {{m|Rock Smash}} which was still a HM in Sinnoh [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 22:15, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh right... I honestly forgot. My bad. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 16:35, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Form" versus "Forme" ==

I wanted to get some clarification and feedback on this point, since even the [[List of Pokémon with form differences]] page does not follow its own standards and conflicts with some of the specific Pokémon pages it links to. I was under the impression that a Pokémon that can change its appearance, as well as changing either its ability, type, or stats, on its own will gets "Forme" used to describe it. I know Ash's Greninja requires Ash in order to transform, but that is still able to be controlled, unlike {{p|Castform}} that requires weather, for example. What is the consensus for the word that should be used to describe Ash-Greninja, "form" or "Forme"? [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 03:47, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja Water Shuriken Form/ Mode pic ==

Can some make and put a Pic of Ash-Greninja when he has his Giant Shuriken on it's back.
I know picture would be when he is in air but that is the closest pic we have in the anime. {{unsigned|Makarov5}}
:Done, the filename is: {{red link|File:Ash-Greninja water shuriken.png}}. I am not sure where to put it, though, because the article currently has one other picture of Ash-Greninja covered in the water veil. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 12:05, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
::Oh, looks like I was blind, there is already such an image in the infobox. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 12:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

== Water "Fuma" Shuriken? ==

I may have missed something in XY118 or XY119, but when was it referred to as a "Water Fuma Shuriken"? As much as this would make sense, the title of XY122 says "Hatsudou kyodai Mizu Shuriken!", or Unleash (hatsudou) the Giant Water Shuriken (kyodai Mizu Shuriken). If there's a source for this then so be it, but I just wanna make sure because it seems like if Water Fuma Shuriken is just a fan name, Giant Water Shuriken would actually make more sense since I recall Bonnie calling it a big Water Shuriken in XY119 too. --[[User:TheMaskedMeowth|TheMaskedMeowth]] ([[User talk:TheMaskedMeowth|talk]]) 02:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

== Image ==

Why do we use a screenshot in the anime when we have an official artwork of Ash-Greninja? [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 20:46, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
:We always use screenshots for Pokemon. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 21:47, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
::I think it has to do with that being artwork of the form and not of Greninja himself.{{unsigned|Flain}}
:::We should feature the official artwork somewhere though, I think that would be for the best. [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 14:13, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

== Bond Phenomenon ==
Don't we need to add this in? [[User:Jahman|Jahman]] ([[User talk:Jahman|talk]]) 01:18, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

== Giant Golden Water Shuriken ==
In the episode XY131 Ash-Greninja uses his Water Shuriken and creates this I dub it Giant Golden Water Shuriken. Could someone add picture and description to Moves Improvised. 
Thanks

== Protection ==
You guys might want to protect this page for a speculation crackdown, with the new information Oha Suta broadcast regarding Greninja's possible fate in the upcoming Xerosic episode. [[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 17:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
:I've semi protected, so users can add what it does in between now and XY139. If it becomes a problem and users keep adding that it will leave, then it'll get fully protected.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 03:23, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
::Also we don't have anyproof it'll be released {{unsigned|Pikastar}}

== Conclusions  ==

For the past fews bads people have been saying greninja will be released based on a video clip we all saw and i am tired of it. Since goodra was another case but we need the bare facts first and even if greninja is released which i hope not there is one problem even with his power he can't protect kalos on his own and just because he saw a clip doesn't mean we have all the facts like how people claim it'll be released. For all i know it could mean greninja will sacrifice it's power to save ash {{unsigned|Pikastar}}
:I agree. I really hate it when people jump to conclusions like that. Seriously people see Ash and Greninja hug and they somehow come to the conclusion that he's being released. Stuff like this isn't accomplishing anything. It's one thing to speculate but acting like you already know what's going to happen is another. [[User:Flain|Flain]] ([[User talk:Flain|talk]]) 23:05, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
::It's a hidden note, it's not bothering anyone and it will be removed if proven false. Don't overreact. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 03:33, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Honestly I just think this is becoming a bad habit for people and it needs to be stamped out. {{unsigned|Flain}}
::::HoennMaster, we would rather not put incorrect information on the page. Look at the TCG for example. I know exactly what some cards in Black Star and Evolutions are going to be, but nothing official has been released on them yet, so we don't publish that information because it boils down to a guess at best. We're probably right, but it's stil a guess. We don't publish guesses. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:14, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'm not saying we should add guesses to articles, but this has been going on, especially in anime articles for years. It isn't suddenly an issue now. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 17:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::Let's just wait for things to play out, alright? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:19, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

== New Ability? ==

Its got a new Ability, Battle Bond. Whats interesting is that battle bond is used to change its greninja form to ash greninja. SOO? Does that mean its confirmed its ability? {{unsigned|ZupaaHD}}
: No, this seems to be a means for transformation in the game but in the Anime Ash can call on the phenomenon at any time, it's never been explained as an ability and thus we can't confirm that it is like that in the anime, also don't forget to sign the post [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 13:54, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
:: Given the information on the Pokémon website the ability is Battle Bond: http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/ash-greninja/ The difference between usage in the games vs. anime is just another case of [[differences between the games and anime]]. - [[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] ([[User talk:Tasty Salamanders|talk]]) 15:24, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
::: I'd have to agree. It seems pretty clear to me that Ash's Greninja is meant to have Battle Bond. [[User:Reign|Reign]] ([[User talk:Reign|talk]]) 18:02, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
::::well it doesn't matter to the admins so we will just have missing information on this:--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 18:50, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== Greninja's Release Location ==

Well, now  that Greninja is released, where should we add its current location? Perhaps just "Kalos" or "With Squishy and Z2"?