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<big>'''Note: This page only includes examples where they are confirmed to be the move. Please do not add any of the following as examples:'''</big> | |||
*Tentacool's attack in ''[[EP019|Tentacool & Tentacruel]]'' | |||
*Haunter using Leer in ''[[EP023|The Tower of Terror]]'' | |||
*Ash's Bulbasaur using Leer and Tickle in ''[[EP050|Who Gets to Keep Togepi?]]'' | |||
*Ralph's Tony (Nidoran♂) using Bite in ''[[EP100|Wherefore Art Thou, Pokémon?]]'' | |||
*Meowth of Team Rocket using Tickle in ''[[EP104|Bound for Trouble]]'' | |||
*Entei using Hypnosis in ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown]]'' | |||
*Ninetales using Psychic in ''[[EP232|Just Waiting On a Friend]]'' | |||
*Bean (Politoed) using Lick in ''[[EP249|I Politoed Ya So!]]'' | |||
*Nuzleaf using GrassWhistle in ''[[AG026|Turning Over a Nuzleaf]]'' | |||
*Rayquaza using Seismic Toss in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'' | |||
*Lunatone using Moonlight in ''[[AG087|Crazy as a Lunatone!]]'' | |||
*Drifloon using Fly in ''[[DP028|Drifloon on the Wind!]]'' | |||
*Metagross using Lock-On in ''[[DP117|Noodles! Roamin' Off!]]'' | |||
*Ash's Cyndaquil using Tickle in ''[[PK08|Delibird's Dilemma]]'' | |||
*Vaporeon using Aqua Jet in ''[[XY089|Tag Team Battle Inspiration!]]'' | |||
==Sorting== | ==Sorting== | ||
There has to be a way to make it so that EP goes before AG and DP... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">TTE</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#0000FF">chidna</span>]]''' 00:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC) | There has to be a way to make it so that EP goes before AG and DP... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">TTE</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#0000FF">chidna</span>]]''' 00:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Are the anime moves supposed to be in order and if so, order by what? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 13:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC) | Are the anime moves supposed to be in order and if so, order by what? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 13:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Order by episode. <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span> | :Order by episode. <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 10:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
And what about the combees and psybeam in DP...errrr...Ok I dont rember which.... - [[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario]] 14:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC) | And what about the combees and psybeam in DP...errrr...Ok I dont rember which.... - [[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario]] 14:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
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==Some of these attacks== | ==Some of these attacks== | ||
Some of these attack seem like Physical Attributes and are they really that notable? Like Marnie's Drifloon knowing Fly. Are we sure we can consider that its actually using the game move Fly? The pokedex does say they try to carry children away, and Drifloon can float. I know she says fly but fly itself doesn't mean its actually the move. Here about this for an example, suppose there is a large flying Pokemon with wings, but it can't learn fly in the games, when it carries someone, is it really considered to be using the actual game move Fly? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 11:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC) | Some of these attack seem like Physical Attributes and are they really that notable? Like Marnie's Drifloon knowing Fly. Are we sure we can consider that its actually using the game move Fly? The pokedex does say they try to carry children away, and Drifloon can float. I know she says fly but fly itself doesn't mean its actually the move. Here about this for an example, suppose there is a large flying Pokemon with wings, but it can't learn fly in the games, when it carries someone, is it really considered to be using the actual game move Fly? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 11:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I was wondering that, too. I suppose if a trainer tells their Pokémon to use (move), then it counts. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna | :I was wondering that, too. I suppose if a trainer tells their Pokémon to use (move), then it counts. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:: But is saying "Pokemon, move!" the same thing as "Pokemon, use move!"? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 13:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC) | :: But is saying "Pokemon, move!" the same thing as "Pokemon, use move!"? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 13:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Almost all Pokémon with wings can fly, but it isn't always the attack Fly. If it was the move {{m|Fly}}, they would have to hit the Pokémon not just fly away. | :::Almost all Pokémon with wings can fly, but it isn't always the attack Fly. If it was the move {{m|Fly}}, they would have to hit the Pokémon not just fly away. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #336699">'''Jmath'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #336699">'''Talk'''</span>]] 18:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
Riolu is a similar issue. It's knowledge of {{m|Aura Sphere}} is due to it being able to manipulate [[aura]], which its species normally can't do until after evolution. In fact, for all we know, it might use that move in the game anyway. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC) | Riolu is a similar issue. It's knowledge of {{m|Aura Sphere}} is due to it being able to manipulate [[aura]], which its species normally can't do until after evolution. In fact, for all we know, it might use that move in the game anyway. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== EP25 == | == EP25 == | ||
When Ash's Pikachu attacks Team rocket with what Ash would usually call thunderbolt, he simply says "electric attack". Isn't that a type of special move instead? | When Ash's Pikachu attacks Team rocket with what Ash would usually call thunderbolt, he simply says "electric attack". Isn't that a type of special move instead? {{unsigned|BlueGasMask}} | ||
*Depends. Is it simply a dub error, or did he say it in Japanese, too? --[[User:Fsilone|隼也]] 20:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | *Depends. Is it simply a dub error, or did he say it in Japanese, too? --[[User:Fsilone|隼也]] 20:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== Cheryl's Mothim & Ash's Chimchar== | == Cheryl's Mothim & Ash's Chimchar== | ||
Cheryl's mothim used supersonic in the anime, but in the games, there's no way for him to learn it. am I right? | Cheryl's mothim used supersonic in the anime, but in the games, there's no way for him to learn it. am I right? {{unsigned|Kevzo8}} | ||
Ash's chimchar can't use pound, isn't it? but in the anime, it was seen using that move. | Ash's chimchar can't use pound, isn't it? but in the anime, it was seen using that move. {{unsigned|Kevzo8}} | ||
* Pound is basically just hitting the opponent, it doesn't count (just like Samurai's Pinsir using tackle in episode 1 shouldn't really count because all tackle does is plow into the opponent, any solid Pokemon can do that) {{unsigned|Blackstone Dresden}} | * Pound is basically just hitting the opponent, it doesn't count (just like Samurai's Pinsir using tackle in episode 1 shouldn't really count because all tackle does is plow into the opponent, any solid Pokemon can do that) {{unsigned|Blackstone Dresden}} | ||
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Having rewatched the episode, at no point in it does Ralph order the specific move {{m|Bite}}. In fact, he doesn't say anything. Granted, Fury Swipes was ordered and is a legitimate anime move error. However, Bite seemed just to be a desperate last resort for Tony as Arbok was crushing him and his mate. I do recall that Ash's Pikachu used its teeth to bite onto something in one of the Pikachu shorts (memory fails me I'm afraid) so I would like to question the presence of Tony using Bite on this page. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#00693E">Toon Ganondorf</span> ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">c)</span>]]''' 03:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC) | Having rewatched the episode, at no point in it does Ralph order the specific move {{m|Bite}}. In fact, he doesn't say anything. Granted, Fury Swipes was ordered and is a legitimate anime move error. However, Bite seemed just to be a desperate last resort for Tony as Arbok was crushing him and his mate. I do recall that Ash's Pikachu used its teeth to bite onto something in one of the Pikachu shorts (memory fails me I'm afraid) so I would like to question the presence of Tony using Bite on this page. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#00693E">Toon Ganondorf</span> ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">c)</span>]]''' 03:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC) | ||
:If it wasn't called Bite in the anime, then it shouldn't be treated as the move. Did the same "never commanded to use the move" apply to Maria as well? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Pokémon which can learn a move only via an event == | |||
I find this section completely unnecessary. Event is just as valid a method of learning a move as move tutor, pre-evolution, or {{p|Rotom|form change}}. I know it's under the non-errors heading, but we would be putting stuff like Victini's V-create there as well. Honestly, I don't think we need the "Pokémon performing an action which resembles a move" section either, since it really just exists to stop people from adding them to the main list (which could easily be solved by a list here on the talk page). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
:I agree fully with the event thing. They were given the moves on purpose fully knowing that they can't learn it under normal circumstances. Things are not errors when they are done intentionally. If the Pokémon can learn a move '''by any means''' in the games, it should not be counted as an error. It's making it seem like learning things by event is an illegitimate way to get certain moves. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 23:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
::I completely agree. The animators knew exactly what they were doing when they used aime counterparts for specific individuals of species brought on by game events.--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 00:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Lugia's "unknown" move == | |||
The article states that Lugia uses an unknown Psychic type move to break the ice [[File:Lugia_psychic_attack.png]]. | |||
Wouldn't it be more likely that Lugia is using safeguard to break the ice? [[File:Lugia_Safeguard.png]] | |||
The little force field could of fade by dissipating its energy into breaking the ice. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 09:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
==Name change== | |||
Very few of these are actual "errors". Not many people seem to realize that everything from the games doesn't always apply to the anime. Why should a Pokémon with a different move set be considered an "error", but a Pokémon with an entirely different history isn't called an "error" (i.e. Mewtwo was born from a Mew in the games... he was born from an incubator-type machine in the anime). I suggest changing the name of this article to "Anime move differences" or something. | |||
On an unrelated note, a section of "moves used by Pokémon at a time in which the move could not be used in the games" is missing. Stuff in this section would include Ash's Charizard using Fly before Yellow Version came out, Victor's Pikachu using Surf before Nintendo distributed their first 1000 Surfing Pikachus / released Pokémon Stadium 2 (although I think this would have been different in Japan), Mewtwo using Shadow Ball before Generation II came out, along with many others. [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 04:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
:The name issue [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/index5.html#post3791493 was brought up on the forums], but we couldn't come up with a decent alternative. I don't like "anime move differences", because it implies that they are different within the anime, not different to the games. | |||
:As for the missing "moves used by Pokémon at a time in which the move could not be used in the games", Ash's Charizard didn't use Fly until [[EP105]], by which stage Yellow was already out. Also, we don't consider [[Puka]] riding a surfboard to be using the move Surf either. Mewtwo doesn't count because the move didn't exist then, and it gained access as soon as it did. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Also, the section you suggested already exists; it's called "Former errors". It includes James's Koffing/Weezing using Poison Gas and Jessie's Lickitung using Lick. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 23:57, 31 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Moves Section == | |||
I couldn't think of another section to put this in: it's called the Moves Used section, not the the Moves Commanded to use section. Just because a trainer tells his/her Pokemon to do something, doesn't necessarily mean that the pokemon actually knows that move. Remember when James told Weezing to use Hyper Beam, and they realized that Weezing never learned the move? If they had been interrupted before Weezing could "use" Hyper Beam, would we still list it in the Moves Used section | |||
for it? {{unsigned|Confusion}} | |||
:I don't think so. James said he had never gotten around to teaching Weezing Hyper Beam, so it doesn't know it and it ended up using Smog instead. I don't think it counts. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
::No, I just mean those instances when trainers tell their pokemon to use a move, they get interrupted before it can be done, and we still list it in the Moves Used Section. Like...Bianca telling her Escavalier to use Quick Guard. | |||
:::Oh, okay, I see what you're getting at now... However, this page is for anime move errors. Weezing using Hyper Beam and Escavalier using Quick Guard are moves that they ''can'' learn, right? ^-^ That's what their sections are for on their Trainer's page. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 01:28, 9 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Normajean's Tedfiursa == | |||
There's a picture of Chimecho and Kricketot there! Vandalism! Chowolun 13:49, 9 April 2012 (UTC) [[User:Lucario985]] | |||
Other pictures as well! Chowolun 13:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC) [[User:Lucario985]] | |||
:What are you talking about?--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 13:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
I'm talking about those mixed up pictures! Chowolun 14:00, 9 April 2012 (UTC) [[User:Lucario985]] | |||
:There's only Teddiursa in the picture. How is it mixed up? Do give another example.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 14:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
I went back, it was either fixed, or I'm starting to hallucinate. Dammit! Chowolun 00:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC) [[User:Lucario985]] | |||
== Heracross == | |||
In one episode (I think it is League Unleashed), Ash's Heracross used Focus Punch (nothing abnormal since it can learn the move) but the move was used via [[Sleep Talk]] which in the games cannot happen, isn't this an anime move error?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 02:16, 6 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Heracross can learn Sleep Talk via TM in Gen IV, and tutoring in B2W2 (though the latter is hardly applicable. The former is more accurate to the time period.) <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 02:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
::I said: It used Focus Punch '''via''' Sleep Talk, which '''cannot''' happen in the games.--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 02:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::I don't see why that wouldn't be possible? [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 02:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::Isn't the page name "Anime '''move errors'''"? This piece that I found belongs here and not [[Anime physics]]--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 02:44, 6 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::This page is for moves that a Pokémon used that they normally shouldn't be able to use in the games. That piece you gave, while true, doesn't fit the criteria of this page, as Jo said about Heracross learning Sleep Talk via TM. The piece could go into the episode's page or could be thrown out due to our "anime=/=game" rule.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 02:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::::Moves that can't be selected by Mirror Move/Sleep Talk/Sketch etc. are very game mechanic-based and really shouldn't apply to the anime. Also, Sleep Talk can select Focus Punch in Generation II. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::::(I'm not arguing with your actual opinion; just mentioning a mistaken claim:) Actually, Focus Punch didn't exist in Gen II, so it would be impossible for Sleep Talk to select it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
:I give up.--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 18:11, 6 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Roserade bullet seed == | |||
In BW098, Roserade used Bullet Seed, but it can only learn through TM in Generation IV.{{unsigned|HenryXYZ}} | |||
:You can trade a Roserade with Bullet Seed to Generation V games, so it doesn't belong to the page just like [[Roark]]'s Geodude and [[Andreas]]'s Poliwrath.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 22:05, 13 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
== {{p|Parasect|Parasect's}} {{m|Sleep Powder}}/proposing notes column == | |||
I think that it should be noted in the row about Parasect using Sleep Powder that the use of this move was most likely a mistake and that the people who make the anime got Sleep Powder confused with {{m|Spore}}, a move with the same effect as Sleep Powder that Parasect can learn. I would just make a notes column in the table, but I'm not sure if it should have an entire column for notes if there are only notes in one row. If this lack of a significant number of rows with entries in the proposed column ''would'' be a problem, how many rows containing text in the column would be required for me to add the column? And can anyone think of any other notes that could be put in the first table? [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 17:24, 12 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Not sure where to put this... == | |||
In episode XY012, a Vivillon uses Safeguard to block a Mud Shot, but Safeguard doesn't block attacks-where do I put this? {{unsigned|Mangaman13}} | |||
:That's not what this page is for; this page is for Pokémon that know moves they shouldn't. What you're talking about is simply anime =/= games, which goes nowhere. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
== I don't know if "errors" would be the right word for it... == | |||
Perhaps "Anime move discrepancies" would fit better?[[User:StongRadd|StongRadd]] ([[User talk:StongRadd|talk]]) 03:29, 18 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Yeah, I've never really been comfortable with the page's current name. (It has been discussed before; see [[#Name change]].) The main issue is we never really worked out a good, concise name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 04:48, 18 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Hoopa shorts == | |||
In the first segment of the 'Hoopa Appears' shorts, several Pokémon are seen using Gust which can't learn it in the games. I want to add them, but I'm not sure how the episode is going to be numbered since I can't find their pages on the site. [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] ([[User talk:Watchermark|talk]]) 14:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Helioptile's Electric move == | |||
Are we sure it was Discharge? I watched the episode, and, in the dub at least, it was never explicitly stated that they were using Discharge. Is there any reason we can't just assume it was something Helioptile ''can'' learn, such as Thunder Shock or Thunderbolt? <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 14:31, 11 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
== [[Pinsir]] using [[Air Slash (move)|Air Slash]] in [[Mega Evolution Special IV]] == | |||
Pinsir used Air Slash in the Mega Evolution Special act 4. But I could not properly edit it in. Please put it in if you can.- [[User:Super10ZX|Super10ZX]] 22:01 (UTC) | |||
:It was added before but was [[Special:Diff/2403847|stated]] to be {{m|Double Hit}} instead of Air Slash. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 22:40, 11 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
Oh, ok.- [[User:Super10ZX|Super10ZX]] 23:00 (UTC) | |||