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==Statistical averages==
Wait, how can ??? type have statistical averages? -OmegaPlatinum
:That... is a very good question. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 04:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
::It was [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Unknown_type&diff=150318&oldid=148555 added] a while ago, obtained through hacking the game (also check the diffs following). Don't think that should count, myself. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Nor do I, so I baleeted it. Arceus alone should not be what something's based on. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 07:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

== RBY? ==

Wait a moment, where is ??? featured in RBY? As far as I can remember, some glitches had ???, but it says "Non-glitch" element, so I assume in the programming.. but still, it slightly weirds me out that it says "Generation I". [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] 16:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:Because it was a glitch in Gen I, but not in Gen II onwards, I'm guessing.--[[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 17:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

== Arceus and Roost ==

It's been suggested that when a Sky Plate-holding Arceus uses the move Roost, it will turn into the ???-type Arceus. However, as the only way for Arceus to GET Roost is through hacking, I have not been able to test these claims yet. However, if anyone here manages to play out this scenario by hacking an Arceus that has the move, please edit the article accordingly should the theory be proven correct. --[[User:Mburusu|M. Burusu]] 08:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:Well, then the same could happen to a Smeargle that Sketched Skill Swap and Roost, then swapped abilities with Kecleon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
::THAT I could probably try out . . . but I don't think I have any Smeargle spare. I'll have to bring a friend into this . . . thanks for the suggestion! --[[User:Mburusu|M. Burusu]] 04:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I hate to bump ancient conversations, but I tested this last night.

Test 1: Smeargle Skill Swapped Kecleon.  Switched in Nidorino and used Peck, turning Smeargle to a Flying type.  Smeargle used Roost and Nidorino used Peck again, trying to activate color change; if Roost had changed Smeargle to ???, Color Change would activate.  It did not.

Test 2: Smeargle Skill Swapped Kecleon.  Nidorino Pecked it.  Switched in Magcargo that held Lagging Tail.  Smeargle Roosted and Magcargo used Earth Power.  KO'd Smeargle.

Test 3: Same as Test 2, except Magcargo used Rock Smash.  No effectiveness message.

My findings; if a pure Flying-type uses Roost, it DOES lose the Flying typing.  However, it does not gain the Normal type temporarily, nor any type against which Fighting is Super/Not Very Effective, for that matter.  More testing is needed to be absolutely sure, but I think that a pure Flying type that uses Roost does indeed become the ??? type.  [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] <small>[[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]]</small> 17:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
:UPDATE!  Between Ground and Fighting, I was able to eliminate all types except Water, Fighting, and Dragon.  I just conducted another test in which I used Meowth's Bite (eliminating Fighting), and Bibarel's Water Gun (eliminating Water and Dragon).  Thusly, I can confirm that when Smeargle is a pure Flying type and uses Roost, its type becomes ???.  I should maybe add this to the article?  Also, since article names with question marks now work, I shall do with this what I did with the Generation III Glitch Pokémon and move this article to the correct title.  If anyone disagrees, feel free to move it back.  [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] <small>[[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]]</small> 20:31, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== How much does anyone wanna bet... ==

That ???-type Arceus is what Arceus becomes in the reverse world? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:I'm sorry, but unless we can get such a place in the games, the most I can wager is [[$1|2¢]].  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I think there's going to be an event sometime after the Arceus event to get a special plate for the ???-type form. After all, Nintendo has demonstrated in the past that they can edit the coding of the Pokémon games (Berry Glitch Fix). A similar coding update could be used for the Apricorn Poké Balls from GSDS. [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<font color="black"><small>S</small><sup>h</sup><small>i</small><sub>n</sub><small>y</small> <sup>N</sup><small>o</small><sub>c</sub><small>t</small><sup>o</sup><small>w</small><sub>l</sub></font>]] 02:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==???==
Doesn't redirect here. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 06:50, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

==Porygon?==

In Generation II, Porygon can learn Curse using the TM for it. I wonder if Porygon only knows Conversion and Curse, and it uses Conversion, if it has a chance of becoming the ???-type or if the game's coding ignores Curse when Conversion is used and doesn't do anything, either failing or executing with no effect since Porygon is already the type of Conversion. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 18:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:If Porygon uses Conversion and if it only knows Curse, then Conversion fails. GameFreak kept that in mind. '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 03:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

==??? type and Judgement ==

If Arceus would be holding a ??? plate and used Judgement, or if the Smeargle Roost/Skill swap would work, what would be the outcome? As this might be the only legit move capable of doing ??? type damage. [[User:Cake of Rage|Cake of Rage]] 20:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:As there is no ??? plate, I don't think that's possible. I guess, with some fairly intensive hacking, we might be able to come up with something. --[[User:Martonimos|((<font color="#008000">Marton</font>]] [[User talk:Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">imos</font>))]] 20:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
::I hacked a patch into the game with an item called "Test Plate". It boosts ??? type moves and would change arceus into ??? type. anyway i gave to arceus in three ways.

1) Gave to Arceus. Got into starly battle. Used judgement. It said "arceus used |-|-Z! and it acted as if it was a ground type move or something, because i repeated the test with bidoof and it said "Arceus used |-|-Z!" and it said "It's super effective!".

2) Gave to Arceus. Saved. Battled Cynthia. It said "Arceus used Judgement!" Then it said "It's super effective!" Lucario comes out. "arceus used judgement!" Then it was super effective again. all pokemon were One Hit KO'ed. 

3) Gave to Arceus. Entered a Contest. Used judgement. It said arceus used J---?!!!" and the contest froze for a second. Then it came up with my 18th box on my PC, then I got into a wild battle with Linoone. Then it made me battle my rival (as at the battleground) then it took me back to the contest, where the game came up with the Contest Completed thingymobob. I had lost?! even though i was the only entrant. This is wierd!  Then I saved and the game froze after I saved. Turned off and on and I was in Solacion town. My Test Plate was gone. 

Hope that helped!!! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:Please look and someone add onto the article! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 11:27, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

:Sounds like a trippy experience. I can't possibly imagine what kind of glitch in the code could possibly cause those sequence of events. [[User:ProxyVortex|ProxyVortex]] 20:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== Um...no ==

Shadow moves in Pokémon XD aren't ??? type, they're ----- (or just "Shadow") type. Unlike ??? moves, they have Physical/Special differentiaiton, and they have type effectiveness (although not STAB). In fact, if you consider Shadow a type, then you have three-type Pokémon in XD. I think we need some kind of article on Shadown type, even if it doesn't include all that information. I'll make it tomorrow during lunch break if nobody esle wants to. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 03:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
:No, they're ???-type. There is no Shadow type. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
::I know that there's no 'Shadow' type, but the type of XD's Shadow Moves is NOT ???. In the space for a colored type bar, there's only a ------- (as opposed to Colloseum, which DID have the ??? bar). Moreover, obviously it is not ??? because it has type advantage and resistance applied. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 14:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Moves in XD are ???-type too, and they are split in physical or special category depending on if they do or not contact on the target. ???-type is only appliable to moves and not to Pokémon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 20:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
::::I'll load up Colosseum then XD and report back. [[User:Gywall|<span style="color:#FF8800">'''Gyw</span><span style="color:#FFAE00">all'''</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]])</sup> 20:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Shadow moves are type-less. Not ??? Type, but no type at all. [[User:Gywall|<span style="color:#FF8800">'''Gyw</span><span style="color:#FFAE00">all'''</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]])</sup>
::::::Yeah, they are typeless, but doesn't this count as ???-type anyways? '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 20:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
In essence, that's what I said. I was correct: they have "-------" for a type. However, there's no way it can be ??? type becuse ??? type ''does not'' have super effective or not very effective. I called it 'Shadow' type in the same way [[-----]] is called DPBox. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 02:41, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

== Move to ??? (type) ==

Hi. Um, this article is referred to in the games (as well as any other place) as ???. So I was thinking; should I move this to ??? (type)? [[User:Noname4you|Nonam]][[User talk:Noname4you|e4you]] 02:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:Well being that we're getting issues with question marks now where they weren't before, I'm gonna say hold the freaking crap off on this if we do decide to for a '''''really long while'''''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 06:30, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
::What about Unknown (type) to fit in with the others?--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#800080">13</span>]] 17:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== eggs ==

How can an eg be a ??? type. It is is considered as such because you don't know what pokemon its going to be. The ???-type Arceus is different. {{unsigned|Hyurnat4}}
:Because ''technically'' the contents of the egg are unknown. So, the type that the Pokémon inside will be is also unknown... Even though most players know what will be inside their Pokémon Eggs. - [[User:Kogoro|<span style="color:#DA70D6;">'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>'''</span>]] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|<span style="color:#FFB6C1;">'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>'''</span>]] - 04:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Statistical averages ==

OK, since we've established that Eggs are ???-type, and Arceus and Smeargle have the capability to become ???-type, might this warrant a statistical averages section?  Perhaps, sans Arceus, since there is no legal way to get its type changed to ????  And I know I read somewhere that Eggs have base stats of 10 across the board, so that technically would count.  Just gotta dig up where I found that...  [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] <small>[[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]]</small> 20:40, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== Uh ==

...I'm pretty sure question marks in titles still don't agree with the inner workings of the wiki, considering I can still see pages being moved for that reason. Is this working alright, or should it be moved back to "Unknown type"? ▫▪''[[User:Tina|<span style="color:#B16ABB;">Ťïňắ</span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#B16ABB;">♫</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#B16ABB;">♥</span>]]</sup> 01:16, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:They appear to be working fine on my end.  My guess is that {{u|Archaic}} wasn't aware that question marks in titles actually ''were'' working, singled out [[Which One ~ Is It?]] (the newest Japanese ending theme of the anime), and moved the article to a location without the question mark, citing problems which appear to not exist.  Don't know how these signals are getting crossed...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:32, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
::It's the archives that screws up the question marks. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 20:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus and HG/SS ==

We know that in D/P/Pt, Arceus has a ???-type sprite. But does it have one in HG/SS? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]])</sup> 15:12, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:yes. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 10:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Arceus testing ==

If Arceus's base type is hacked to be ??? instead of Normal, does it show the ???-type sprite? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]])</sup> 15:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Some people have already used a game-altering device so that when Arceus is sent out it is the ??? type. The sprite indeed changes, however I've only seen videos of Arceus changing into his ??? form and then back into his Normal form because there is no ??? plate. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 15:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Phys/Spec split ==

"Because they're not programmed to be either physical or special moves, even with a base power of 255 (the highest that the game allows), the move will do almost no damage."

Is this true for 4th gen games? Because, logically, it shouldn't be. (Unless Gamefreak used some really cheap work-around, which is unnecessary as far as I know.) --[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]] 05:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Struggle? ==

Struggle has no offensive properties. Could it be '???' type? What is it listed as in the game's coding?
:Normal --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 09:20, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Shadow Sky weather ball. ==

{{m|Weather Ball}} during {{m|Shadow Sky}} is a proper ??? move in XD. Should be added to the article. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 16:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:I think it is really Shadow-type rather than ???-type. I don't have XD, so I can't test it. Apparently, Shadow moves are super effective against non-Shadow Pokémon and not very effective against Shadow Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#444444">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#C3C3C3">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:: I do and just played the fight where it is seen. It is neutral against everything. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 19:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== Smeargle? ==

As mentioned [[Talk:??? (type)#Arceus and Roost|earlier in the article]] Smeargle can apparently be ??? type by doing somethings. If this is true shouldn't Smeargle be added to added to the article? Also I think it raises the question of what happens when Smeargle does the same thing in Gen V.<br>—[[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] 08:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:That was on there before, but it got removed. I'll put it back on. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#444444">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#C3C3C3">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:According to this: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79340 it has been confirmed that using Roost on a Pure-Flying now changes to Normal. [[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] 11:06, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

== ??? type in bulbapedia ==
Shouldn't it be noted that ??? type is used in templates in bulbapedia where there is no data about actual type of something or as default type? Links in this templates are lead here, I believe it should be explained why.--[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 07:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
:It should just be the default on templates, and its color is often used for glitches. However, it shouldn't be appearing on mainspace pages where the type is not actually known. I don't know how to explain it anymore than that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 02:03, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Hidden Power ==
Is hidden power Normal-type or ???-type? {{unsigned|SPCC}}
:Let's check the {{m|Hidden Power}} page to see. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 03:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

== Conversion ==

Ignores Curse in Gen V? Anyone wanna see? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 12:05, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

== STAB? ==

It isnt made clear on the page if a ???-type Pokemon would gain STAB from using a ???-type move. Would they? [[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#FFFFFF; background-color:#6890F0">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span>[[Latios (Pokémon)|<span style="color:red; background-color:#6890F0"> Δ  ]]</span> 13:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

:There are no damaging moves or Pokémon of this type. If there were then it would go without saying. So I don't see how adding it is helpful. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#00693E">Toon Ganondorf</span> ]]   [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">c)</span>]]''' 13:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
::In XD, Weather Ball becomes ???-type. A Pokemon could probably be hacked to be ???-type in that game, if anyone wants to check. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#FFFFFF; background-color:#6890F0">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span>[[Latios (Pokémon)|<span style="color:red; background-color:#6890F0"> Δ  ]]</span> 13:53, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Is it actually ???-type, or is it the unknown type that Shadow moves use? The two are not the same. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 01:45, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
::::It's not super effective against non-Shadow Pokemon, or weak against Shadows. I don't know what type it would be in the game's code though. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#FFFFFF; background-color:#6890F0">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span>[[Latios (Pokémon)|<span style="color:red; background-color:#6890F0"> Δ  ]]</span> 19:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon ==

In mystery dungeon series there is 2 ??? type moves (wide slash and vacuum-cut). {{unsigned|Savelijah}}

== Weather Ball and Colour Change ==

Does a Weather Ball used during Shadow Sky activate Kecleon's Colour Change, and turn it into the ???-type? Can someone check this? <small><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:#007FFF; background-color:white">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span><span style="color:white; background-color:#007FFF">'''X'''</span></small> 11:22, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

== Weather ball in gen V ==

How does generation V get around with weather ball in gen V?--[[User:Cobalt174|Cobalt174]] ([[User talk:Cobalt174|talk]]) 01:29, 13 January 2013 (UTC)