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== Removal of this page. ==

I'm thinking maybe it's time to remove this page. The title is very vague and not to mention moves can and have stopped being HMs just to become HM again in a future generation. (Dive is the perfect example of this.)

And waterfall wasn't a HM move the generation it was introduced.

Yes, I am also the person who made this category in the first place. But I regret it as I didn't take anything into consideration.

So I think it's best to get rid of this category as it's very vague. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|Blaze The Movie Fan]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 17:15, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

I'm semi-opposed. I feel like it should be converted to a list of Pokémon that learn ''Field Moves'' by level up, as that's quite a bit more helpful, in my opinion. To count, it would need to learn it in a generation that it's a field move. So, in other words, if it just learns Defog by level up in Gen V, that doesn't count. --[[User:WyndFox|<span style="color:#992232">Wynd</span>]] [[User talk:WyndFox|<span style="color:2B65EC">Fox</span>]] 09:52, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
:Even then Rayquaza and Salamence are literally the ONLY Pokémon that qualify, as waterfall wasn't a HM in the generation the move was introduced.
:If there are only two Pokémon that qualify, making a category is pretty pointless.
:I will get all the Pokémon out of this category if it gets removed. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|Blaze The Movie Fan]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 01:48, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
::It doesn't matter that Waterfall wasn't an HM when it was introduced; Goldeen and Seaking still learn it in generations in which it is a field move, so it would still count for WyndFox's suggested change. By my rough count based on the moves listed on the [[field move (core series)]] page, expanding it to field moves would add about 100 Pokémon to the category (minus overlaps, if there are any). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:39, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
:::If by field move you mean ANY move that can be used outside battle, I think a list of Pokémon with access to them will become overcrowded.
:::I mean there are plenty of Pokémon that can learn dig, the same applies to sweet scent, teleport and I could go on and on. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|Blaze The Movie Fan]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 21:37, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
::::That is what I meant, yes. I don't think overcrowding is really an issue. --[[User:WyndFox|<span style="color:#992232">Wynd</span>]] [[User talk:WyndFox|<span style="color:2B65EC">Fox</span>]] 21:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::Actually it is an issue when almost every Pokémon can learn a field move. The only Pokémon who can't learn one are Pokémon that can't learn TM, HMs, egg moves and move tutor moves. And that's it.
:::::I don't see how a list like this wouldn't create another problem. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|Blaze The Movie Fan]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 02:18, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
::::::You're overexaggerating to an extreme degree. As I said above, only about 100 Pokemon can learn a field move by level up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:28, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sorry I was thinking about Pokémon who can learn field moves overall. I didn't think about the ones that learn them by level up.
:::::::Well, I say go for it. It would fit better as a list than a category. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|Blaze The Movie Fan]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 12:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
::::::::I like the idea of a category for Pokémon that learn field moves by level up. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:59, 23 March 2014 (UTC)