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3. '''Adding a navigation template to the page for each adventure, and removing the navigation elements from the infobox''' | 3. '''Adding a navigation template to the page for each adventure, and removing the navigation elements from the infobox''' | ||
: Right now, our links to the previous/next "round" are in the infobox, I propose we should add a navigation template to each page to help keep consistency with other types of pages that use navigation templates, like episodes of the anime. I already have this drafted up in | : Right now, our links to the previous/next "round" are in the infobox, I propose we should add a navigation template to each page to help keep consistency with other types of pages that use navigation templates, like episodes of the anime. I already have this drafted up in {{red link|User:Minibug/Template:AdventurePrevNext}}. | ||
4. '''Standardizing head images to use the entire chapter cover page when applicable, and the page immediately after the chapter cover otherwise''' | 4. '''Standardizing head images to use the entire chapter cover page when applicable, and the page immediately after the chapter cover otherwise''' | ||
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::::In terms of the chapter titles, I'll note that the chapter title pages don't include the full "Adventure 1" language until Platinum, so I'm not sure if we really need to consider it as part of the chapter title proper. In Japanese, even the recent ORAS volumes just use #610 on the chapter title page even though they use 第610話 in the table of contents. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 19:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC) | ::::In terms of the chapter titles, I'll note that the chapter title pages don't include the full "Adventure 1" language until Platinum, so I'm not sure if we really need to consider it as part of the chapter title proper. In Japanese, even the recent ORAS volumes just use #610 on the chapter title page even though they use 第610話 in the table of contents. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 19:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
:::::One last thing I wanted to bring up, I'm on board with chapter → arc and round → chapter, but I think we should still note the "Adventure" and "Chapter" language somewhere on the page(s). I don't know if the infobox would be a good idea? Having the "chapter number #whatever" field and then below it having an "also known as/other names" field for the Adventure terminology. [[User:Minibug|Minibug]] ([[User talk:Minibug|talk]]) 11:30, 3 August 2023 (UTC) | :::::One last thing I wanted to bring up, I'm on board with chapter → arc and round → chapter, but I think we should still note the "Adventure" and "Chapter" language somewhere on the page(s). I don't know if the infobox would be a good idea? Having the "chapter number #whatever" field and then below it having an "also known as/other names" field for the Adventure terminology. [[User:Minibug|Minibug]] ([[User talk:Minibug|talk]]) 11:30, 3 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
::::::(Stealing a few minutes for some quick answers/comments, lemme know if you have any more questions...) | |||
::::::This <code>"''The First Chapter: Red, Green & Blue'' is the first story arc [...]"</code> is a great intro for the arc pages. | |||
::::::Noting the page [[Chapter (Adventures)]], I think maybe that could be List of arcs or something? | |||
::::::Re: <code>I think we should still note the "Adventure" and "Chapter" language somewhere on the page(s). I don't know if the infobox would be a good idea?</code> For chapter/arc pages, I think we could modify the infobox to include Adventure 01 and the full arc name (respectively). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I have no more questions, and I'm happy with the discussion we've had here the past few days. I will get back to documenting pages affected by these changes, and, when I'm done with that, I'd like to start actually implementing everything we've discussed here, unless anyone else has any objections. [[User:Minibug|Minibug]] ([[User talk:Minibug|talk]]) 16:46, 3 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
{{indent}}I don't have a problem with chapter → story arc and round → chapter (a handful of the author/illustrator notes refer to chapters as story arcs), but I'd like to go back to the question of head images. Whiting out all the text on the page might be a problem for the early story arcs where the name of the chapter is written on top of the images, so erasing it would require redrawing part of the image. How do you plan to handle that? | |||
Another thing to note is that some chapters have a special image that's used as the cover image for the magazine release, but these images go unused in the full volumes. I think we should try to use those for the head image where possible. VIZ often includes a clean version of the artwork at the end of full volumes, so they shouldn't be too hard to obtain. | |||
I think it's also a good idea to make a draft of what a round/chapter and a chapter/story arc page would look like after all these changes, just so we can make sure we're all on the same page. [[User:Storm Aurora|Storm Aurora]] ([[User talk:Storm Aurora|talk]]) 13:16, 4 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
:When I mentioned whiting out the text on the page for the head images, I just meant the text in dialogue bubbles, not including the chapter titles, I'd actually explicitly want to keep those because it's the main signifier that the image we're using is in fact the chapter cover. | |||
:I can definitely draft up a version of the chapter/story arc pages. When I have those done, I'll reply back here with a link. [[User:Minibug|Minibug]] ([[User talk:Minibug|talk]]) 13:57, 4 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Italics for manga titles, quotation marks for manga issues == | |||
I see there's a manga overhaul proposal in the discussion above. While we are doing this, let's please also consider using italics for manga titles and quotation marks for manga issues. | |||
For instance: | |||
* Red is a main character in ''[[Pokémon Adventures]]''. | |||
* In the ''[[Pokémon Adventures]]'' manga, Daisy debuted in "[[PS063|Extricated from Exeggutor]]". | |||
It seems that at least we are already consistently using italics for manga arcs like this: | |||
* [[Yellow chapter|''Yellow'' chapter]] | |||
* [[Platinum chapter|''Platinum'' chapter]] | |||
--[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 09:54, 7 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Do you happen to have any Adventures print sources to support Pokémon doing that in real life? I know that we avoid doing that for other topics because the brand doesn't follow that standard. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 11:54, 7 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Okay. Looks like those kinds of formatting are used in the notes from the writer and the artist. | |||
::Examples from the volume 23: | |||
::* Manga title in italics: | |||
::*: The Fifth Chapter of ''Pokémon Adventures'' starts in this volume. | |||
::* Issue title in quotation marks: | |||
::*: Adventure 268, "The Escape," (included in this volume) is an episode we created for a grade school magazine. | |||
::I think it's interesting that actually the arc titles don't seem to use italics in running text, as seen in the Fifth Chapter mentioned above. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 20:40, 9 August 2023 (UTC) | |||