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If a Pokémon with Multiscale is hit by a multi-strike move at full HP, does each hit do reduced damage, or only the first hit? This should be checked for both Generations V and VI, and the results posted on the Multiscale page.
If a Pokémon with Multiscale is hit by a multi-strike move at full HP, does each hit do reduced damage, or only the first hit? This should be checked for both Generations V and VI, and the results posted on the Multiscale page.
*'''Answer''': Only the first hit.


===Using forgotten moves===
===Using forgotten moves===
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I have observed the following behavior in Alpha Sapphire (obviously, this would work with any pokemon, but some are specified here for clarity): In a double battle, Absol queues Strength and Vulpix queues Flame Burst; Absol uses its move first, knocking out Spinda, which gives enough experience for Vulpix to level up. Vulpix reaches level 36, at which it learns Flamethrower, and it forgets Flame Burst (the one it still has queued for use!) to replace it with Flamethrower. Then, when Vulpix's turn comes around, it still uses Flame Burst despite having just forgotten it!
I have observed the following behavior in Alpha Sapphire (obviously, this would work with any pokemon, but some are specified here for clarity): In a double battle, Absol queues Strength and Vulpix queues Flame Burst; Absol uses its move first, knocking out Spinda, which gives enough experience for Vulpix to level up. Vulpix reaches level 36, at which it learns Flamethrower, and it forgets Flame Burst (the one it still has queued for use!) to replace it with Flamethrower. Then, when Vulpix's turn comes around, it still uses Flame Burst despite having just forgotten it!
My questions are these: Does this occur in any other generations, which ones, and is this sufficiently notable to get a mention on the Double Battle page or some other appropriate page? --[[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 02:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
My questions are these: Does this occur in any other generations, which ones, and is this sufficiently notable to get a mention on the Double Battle page or some other appropriate page? --[[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 02:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
===Encounter rates===
The [[Running Shoes]] article mentions that running through [[tall grass]] increases the chance of being attacked. That line [[Special:Diff/1044876|was added]] before there was a dedicated games section, and I always thought that the "increase" is just an effect of the greater distance per time, and I found nothing official that supports the statement. So, is this really the case, and if so, by how much is the chance increased? By extension, is the chance increased (or even decreased) while riding a [[bicycle]]? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:54, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
:There is an NPC in HGSS on Route 30 that says "''Oh! You're wearing the Running Shoes? They make you feel like you are flying, don't they? But beware of wild Pokémon and Trainers! When you run, the noise will attract them.''" --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:47, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


==[[Generation II]]==
==[[Generation II]]==
==={{m|Mirror Coat}}===
==={{m|Mirror Coat}}===
:''Status: unanswered''
:''Status: resolved''
The text below was in an HTML comment in the Gen II section of the Mirror Coat page. Someone should look into it and edit Mirror Coat as appropriate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
The text below was in an HTML comment in the Gen II section of the Mirror Coat page. Someone should look into it and edit Mirror Coat as appropriate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
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Switching, full {{status|paralysis}}, and using a multi-turn move will not reset the last amount of damage done, allowing Mirror Coat to counter itself as well as self-inflicted recoil damage. However, if both active Pokémon use Mirror Coat during the same round, both attacks will fail. An attack absorbed by a {{m|Substitute}} can be countered for the amount of damage it would have done to the user had the user not had a substitute.
Switching, full {{status|paralysis}}, and using a multi-turn move will not reset the last amount of damage done, allowing Mirror Coat to counter itself as well as self-inflicted recoil damage. However, if both active Pokémon use Mirror Coat during the same round, both attacks will fail. An attack absorbed by a {{m|Substitute}} can be countered for the amount of damage it would have done to the user had the user not had a substitute.
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:::That was apparently copied from {{m|Counter}} in Gen I. The first paragraph is irrelevant in Gen II, as is the majority of the other paragraphs. In Gen II, Mirror Coat works exactly as Counter does, except for the category. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:44, 2 February 2017 (UTC)


===Freezing and burning===
===Freezing and burning===
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Does Grassy Terrain only halve the power of {{m|Earthquake}}, {{m|Bulldoze}}, and {{m|Magnitude}} when they are Ground-type moves? If they have their type changed by {{m|Electrify}} or {{a|Normalize}}, is the damage still halved? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 17:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Does Grassy Terrain only halve the power of {{m|Earthquake}}, {{m|Bulldoze}}, and {{m|Magnitude}} when they are Ground-type moves? If they have their type changed by {{m|Electrify}} or {{a|Normalize}}, is the damage still halved? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 17:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


I did the testing myself, using Normalize. On my Alpha Sapphire, I have a {{p|Spinda}} with {{m|Skill Swap}} and a {{p|Floette}} with Grassy Terrain. On my X, I have a {{p|Skitty}} with Normalize Ability and a {{p|Teddiursa}} that knows Bulldoze. Skill Swap is a must because the only Pokémon with Normalize are the Skitty family and they don't learn Bulldoze and company naturally.
I did the testing myself, using Normalize. On my Alpha Sapphire, I have a {{p|Spinda}} with {{m|Skill Swap}} and a {{p|Floette}} with {{m|Grassy Terrain}}. On my X, I have a {{p|Skitty}} with Normalize Ability and a {{p|Teddiursa}} that knows Bulldoze. Skill Swap is a must because the only Pokémon with Normalize are the Skitty family and they don't learn Bulldoze and company naturally.


Turn 1, Spinda uses Skill Swap on Skitty. Spinda gets Skitty's Normalize, giving it {{a|Contrary}}; Skitty's move does nothing (in this case {{m|Foresight}}). Turn 2, Skitty tags out to Teddiursa and Spinda uses Skill Swap on it, giving it Normalize in exchange for {{a|Pickup}}. Turn 3, Spinda tags out to Floette, and Teddiursa uses Bulldoze, reducing Floette's hp from 122 to 37 (85 damage). Turn 4, Floette sets up the Grassy Terrain while Teddiursa uses {{m|Sweet Scent}}, burning that turn. Turn 5, Floette uses {{m|Lucky Chant}}, effectively doing nothing, and Teddiursa likewise (another Sweet Scent). Turn 6, same story, and Floette's hp go back up to 65, ready for the next Bulldoze, with Grassy Terrain still in effect. Turn 7, the Bulldoze hits and Floette survives on 19 hp (46 damage).
Turn 1, Spinda uses Skill Swap on Skitty. Spinda gets Skitty's Normalize, giving it {{a|Contrary}}; Skitty's move does nothing (in this case {{m|Foresight}}). Turn 2, Skitty tags out to Teddiursa and Spinda uses Skill Swap on it, giving it Normalize in exchange for {{a|Pickup}}. Turn 3, Spinda tags out to Floette, and Teddiursa uses Bulldoze, reducing Floette's hp from 122 to 37 (85 damage). Turn 4, Floette sets up the Grassy Terrain while Teddiursa uses {{m|Sweet Scent}}, burning that turn. Turn 5, Floette uses {{m|Lucky Chant}}, effectively doing nothing, and Teddiursa likewise (another Sweet Scent). Turns 6 and 7, same story, and Floette's hp go back up to 65, ready for the next Bulldoze, with Grassy Terrain still in effect. Turn 8, the Bulldoze hits and Floette survives on 19 hp (46 damage).


That is, Grassy Terrain ignores the move's new type; it just checks whether the attack used is Bulldoze, Earthquake, or Magnitude. [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] ([[User talk:Pikachu25|talk]]) 04:31, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
That is, Grassy Terrain ignores the move's new type; it just checks whether the attack used is Bulldoze, Earthquake, or Magnitude. [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] ([[User talk:Pikachu25|talk]]) 04:31, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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:As stated from the {{a|Desolate Land}} page, "The extremely harsh sunlight will fade if the Pokémon is removed from the field (and no other Pokémon with Desolate Land remain on the field), if the Pokémon is rotated out in a Rotation Battle, if the Pokémon has its Ability suppressed or replaced, or if the Primordial Sea or Delta Stream Ability activates."  
:As stated from the {{a|Desolate Land}} page, "The extremely harsh sunlight will fade if the Pokémon is removed from the field (and no other Pokémon with Desolate Land remain on the field), if the Pokémon is rotated out in a Rotation Battle, if the Pokémon has its Ability suppressed or replaced, or if the Primordial Sea or Delta Stream Ability activates."  
[[User:JewelSatellite|JewelSatellite]] ([[User talk:JewelSatellite|talk]]) 05:36, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
[[User:JewelSatellite|JewelSatellite]] ([[User talk:JewelSatellite|talk]]) 05:36, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
===-ate Abiltiies and Gems===
===-ate Abiltiies and Gems===
:''Status: Answered''
:''Status: Answered''
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:[[Gem]] has this part which addresses this type of situation: "If the type of a move is changed ... the Gem must match the type of the move after it has been modified." [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 09:24, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:[[Gem]] has this part which addresses this type of situation: "If the type of a move is changed ... the Gem must match the type of the move after it has been modified." [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 09:24, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
::In Mega Glalie's case, it does not matter, as it always holds a Mega Stone. Sylveon, Amaura and Aurorus are the only cases where this matters. In these cases, the type of gem used is the type the move is changed to, not normal. I just gave an Amaura a Normal Gem and had it use Take Down in a battle facility, with the gem not consumed by this. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 12:33, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
::In Mega Glalie's case, it does not matter, as it always holds a Mega Stone. Sylveon, Amaura and Aurorus are the only cases where this matters. In these cases, the type of gem used is the type the move is changed to, not normal. I just gave an Amaura a Normal Gem and had it use Take Down in a battle facility, with the gem not consumed by this. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 12:33, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
===Mimic Rayquaza===
:''Status: Closed''
It is possible for {{p|Rayquaza}} to learn {{m|Mimic}} in Generation III via Move Tutor. If Rayquaza were to copy {{m|Dragon Ascent}} with Mimic, would it be able to Mega Evolve? Conversely, if a Rayquaza that knows both Mimic and Dragon Ascent copies {{m|Transform}} with Mimic, then uses Transform (replacing its moveset so that it no longer knows Dragon Ascent), will it still be able to Mega Evolve? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:51, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
:How would that even occur? Think about it. If {{p|Rayquaza}} copied {{m|Transform}} with {{m|Mimic}}, that would mean that its opponent previously used {{m|Transform}} on {{p|Rayquaza}}. Therefore, when {{p|Rayquaza}} uses {{m|Transform}}, it would transform into a copy of itself with its original moveset. [[User:Bagley|Bagley]] ([[User talk:Bagley|talk]]) 7:49, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
::You have a number of misconceptions here, but perhaps the biggest one is that there's nothing that's forcing the Rayquaza to Transform into the Pokemon it copied Transform from in the first place. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 20:39, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Abcboy actually looked into this, although he messaged me privately rather than responding here. Learning Dragon Ascent via Mimic does not allow Rayquaza to Mega Evolve. On the other hand, apparently Mimic cannot copy Transform in Generation VI. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:59, 20 September 2016 (UTC)