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::::'''Strong oppose''' for the reasons above. Players both casual and competitive have been referring to these as [[Effort values]], [[Base stats]], etc.: no one uses the "official" names for any of these. These names are very seldomly mentioned in official media and most readers probably don't even know official names for these even exist. Abritarily forcing the wiki to use only official names is going to have no benifit and instead cause confusion for readers who have been using these unofficial terms for decades. Yes, official names should be the priority for most stuff, but not for ''everything'': using unofficial names for things like internal mechanics is different from using fan names for characters or Pokemon. Moving EVs to Base points is especially going to be contentious because it overlapps with what fans know base stats as: people searching for base stats are ''not'' looking for EVs, they're looking for what ''they'' know as base stats. Why make things confusing for readers over an arbitrary decision TPC made? Even if official names are going to be pushed elsewhere on the site, this should be an exception at the very least. '''''[[User:Supatoad64|<span style="color:crimson">Ultimate</span>]] [[User talk:Supatoad64|<span style="color:deepskyblue">Toad</span>]]''''' 18:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC) | ::::'''Strong oppose''' for the reasons above. Players both casual and competitive have been referring to these as [[Effort values]], [[Base stats]], etc.: no one uses the "official" names for any of these. These names are very seldomly mentioned in official media and most readers probably don't even know official names for these even exist. Abritarily forcing the wiki to use only official names is going to have no benifit and instead cause confusion for readers who have been using these unofficial terms for decades. Yes, official names should be the priority for most stuff, but not for ''everything'': using unofficial names for things like internal mechanics is different from using fan names for characters or Pokemon. Moving EVs to Base points is especially going to be contentious because it overlapps with what fans know base stats as: people searching for base stats are ''not'' looking for EVs, they're looking for what ''they'' know as base stats. Why make things confusing for readers over an arbitrary decision TPC made? Even if official names are going to be pushed elsewhere on the site, this should be an exception at the very least. '''''[[User:Supatoad64|<span style="color:crimson">Ultimate</span>]] [[User talk:Supatoad64|<span style="color:deepskyblue">Toad</span>]]''''' 18:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::::I '''strongly oppose''' a move to all three of those pages, as per the arguments above. This is clearly a case where community usage heavily overshadows the "official" names. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 02:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC) | :::::I '''strongly oppose''' a move to all three of those pages, as per the arguments above. This is clearly a case where community usage heavily overshadows the "official" names. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 02:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC) | ||
I know my opinion is probably going to be ignored because I literally never edit around these parts. And I'm not going to complain about that, it's what makes sense. But you asked for "additional considerations", and I have one. | |||
I've seen a lot of negative discussion about Bulbapedia ever since the rename from "starter" to "first partner" was widely publicised. Respect for the wiki has dropped as people wonder why the staff of a founding member of NIWA have committed to (and doubled down on) a decision so oddly out of touch, so against the principle of fan communities being run by the fans, for the fans, with the fans. Many are grumbling that the discussion for a change this significant was not given the publicity it requires before being implemented. I've had it pointed out that even Wikipedia does not choose to value official terminology above all else like this. There was even a suggestion to make SmashWiki's April Fools joke "what if we did what Bulbapedia's doing". You've become a laughing stock. | |||
Now maybe these opinions are limited to the communities I'm in and are not indicative of the general public. But from where I'm standing, there's a lot of smoke. There has to be a fire somewhere. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 02:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC) | |||