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:The stat increases with Choice items doesn't affect the stats on the Pokémon's summary, do they? Mega Evolution stat increases do, suggesting that they're intrinsic to the Pokémon. Also, Giratina's Origin Forme also requires an item in almost every situation, yet it's included. In any case, leaving the Mega Evolutions' stats off the page would only make the page less complete, and less useful as reference. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:20, 12 November 2013 (UTC) | :The stat increases with Choice items doesn't affect the stats on the Pokémon's summary, do they? Mega Evolution stat increases do, suggesting that they're intrinsic to the Pokémon. Also, Giratina's Origin Forme also requires an item in almost every situation, yet it's included. In any case, leaving the Mega Evolutions' stats off the page would only make the page less complete, and less useful as reference. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:20, 12 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
::Oops. Forgot which page I was editing the talk page to. Those last two sentences don't really apply for this page. Nonetheless, I do think the base stats of Mega Evolutions are more valid than the item-adjusted stats of other Pokémon. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:23, 12 November 2013 (UTC) | ::Oops. Forgot which page I was editing the talk page to. Those last two sentences don't really apply for this page. Nonetheless, I do think the base stats of Mega Evolutions are more valid than the item-adjusted stats of other Pokémon. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:23, 12 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::"Intrinsic to the Pokémon" when a Pokémon cannot attain them without using a specific item in battle sounds like a contradiction to me. | |||
Anyway, what I think you're saying is that Mega Evolution affects base stats, while an item like Choice Band only affect the stat itself (however, if that's the point the article is trying to make, it should use a more precise terminology). While that is true, I still have two issues with this statement. First, that is not the Pokémon's natural base stat. That base stat is being boosted. Second, this information, even if it were true, is pretty much irrelevant to the actual game. Mega Mewtwo X's "boosted" base Attack stat doesn't work the same as a natural base Attack stat, since it is incompatible with other items that increase Attack. Saying "Mega Mewtwo X forme currently has the highest Attack stat among all the Pokémon," is misleading, because it gives you the impression that Mega Mewtwo X... really has the highest Attack. Which isn't true, because any Pokémon with an high natural Attack using a different boosting item (ex. Choice Band, Life Orb) is going to do more physical damage than Mega Mewtwo X. | |||
[[User:Loudo|Loudo]] ([[User talk:Loudo|talk]]) 15:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC) | |||