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I have included all of the information regarding why certain answers are so. For example, I changed "Dustox has a double resistance to Fighting" to "The Bug/Poison-type Dustox has a double resistance to Fighting." Should we keep it my idiot-proof way or just assume that people know the types already? --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWannaBeTheVeryBest]] ([[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC) | I have included all of the information regarding why certain answers are so. For example, I changed "Dustox has a double resistance to Fighting" to "The Bug/Poison-type Dustox has a double resistance to Fighting." Should we keep it my idiot-proof way or just assume that people know the types already? --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWannaBeTheVeryBest]] ([[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
== More than type advantage == | ==More than type advantage== | ||
Note that Ash doesn't ask which has a ''type'' advantage...<br> | Note that Ash doesn't ask which has a ''type'' advantage...<br> | ||
'''AG132''', '''''Arcanine''' vs Kirlia: Who has the advantage?''<br> | '''AG132''', '''''Arcanine''' vs Kirlia: Who has the advantage?''<br> | ||
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::::::::Why? That's easy. It's on this wiki, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_USA_recasting_controversy right here]. Their contract expired in 2006, and they were outbid by TAJ. A money-related issue considering Pokémon has become less popular in the US after 10 years, so they wanted to cut costs for dubbing. When trying to get a new contract signed, TAJ offered to do it cheaper, and they took it. When TAJ closed, they passed it off to DuArt. Production costs, not production quality, was the key issue. 4Kids had worked with the series for a decade and obviously knew what they were doing if it managed to stay popular for this long. I can understand the importance of sticking to policy, but it's still not fair to 4Kids to say they're wrong even when information can be provided to support them, and ignore it just because policy overwrites proof. I guess figuring out Arcanine has a health, strength, defense, and speed advantage over Kirlia really is inexcusable and we can't forgive 4Kids for it. | ::::::::Why? That's easy. It's on this wiki, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_USA_recasting_controversy right here]. Their contract expired in 2006, and they were outbid by TAJ. A money-related issue considering Pokémon has become less popular in the US after 10 years, so they wanted to cut costs for dubbing. When trying to get a new contract signed, TAJ offered to do it cheaper, and they took it. When TAJ closed, they passed it off to DuArt. Production costs, not production quality, was the key issue. 4Kids had worked with the series for a decade and obviously knew what they were doing if it managed to stay popular for this long. I can understand the importance of sticking to policy, but it's still not fair to 4Kids to say they're wrong even when information can be provided to support them, and ignore it just because policy overwrites proof. I guess figuring out Arcanine has a health, strength, defense, and speed advantage over Kirlia really is inexcusable and we can't forgive 4Kids for it. | ||
::::::::I've done a little check on who you are, why so adamant. Editorial board, Junior Admin... You're policy keepers, and policy holds back change and new information. It ignores fact when it goes against the status quo. I have proof to backup 4Kids, but "policy" is keeping an encyclopedia from being up-to-date. Arcanine is stronger than Kirlia. That's fact with proof, not opinion. In the anime, that's also been proven. Arcanine is a fast, strong, resilient pokemon, while Kirlia is a first evolution lacking in ability. The fact that Arcanine is a final evolution and Kirlia is not gives it an advantage too. This isn't opinion, and other stuff isn't opinion. The anime works to draw heavily from the games. To state they are separate is just ignorant, but if that's what policy states, then so be it. If fact in the games can support information in the anime/dub, policy shouldn't mean anything. Fact is fact and canon is canon, and when factual canon lines up between them, and congruency is found, then it's congruent. Perhaps a change in policy is in order, to be a per-case sort of thing? Surely the editorial board member can see to the diplomatic and bureaucratic approach to changing policy when policy no longer applies and is holding back facts in the game from supporting information deemed "wrong" in the anime. Perhaps I should see what Werd or Kenji-Girl have to say about games supporting information in the anime, see if they say policy states they're separate so fact in one doesn't matter, even if it supports what's already there in the anime. -- [[User:Kiomadoushi|Kiomadoushi]] ([[User talk:Kiomadoushi|talk]]) 08:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC) | ::::::::I've done a little check on who you are, why so adamant. Editorial board, Junior Admin... You're policy keepers, and policy holds back change and new information. It ignores fact when it goes against the status quo. I have proof to backup 4Kids, but "policy" is keeping an encyclopedia from being up-to-date. Arcanine is stronger than Kirlia. That's fact with proof, not opinion. In the anime, that's also been proven. Arcanine is a fast, strong, resilient pokemon, while Kirlia is a first evolution lacking in ability. The fact that Arcanine is a final evolution and Kirlia is not gives it an advantage too. This isn't opinion, and other stuff isn't opinion. The anime works to draw heavily from the games. To state they are separate is just ignorant, but if that's what policy states, then so be it. If fact in the games can support information in the anime/dub, policy shouldn't mean anything. Fact is fact and canon is canon, and when factual canon lines up between them, and congruency is found, then it's congruent. Perhaps a change in policy is in order, to be a per-case sort of thing? Surely the editorial board member can see to the diplomatic and bureaucratic approach to changing policy when policy no longer applies and is holding back facts in the game from supporting information deemed "wrong" in the anime. Perhaps I should see what Werd or Kenji-Girl have to say about games supporting information in the anime, see if they say policy states they're separate so fact in one doesn't matter, even if it supports what's already there in the anime. -- [[User:Kiomadoushi|Kiomadoushi]] ([[User talk:Kiomadoushi|talk]]) 08:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC) | ||
: You put way more thought into this than the total man-hours of everyone who worked on Pokémon Trainer's Choice. Unfortunately for you, there are three reasons why we cannot correct a certain PTC judging by base stats: | |||
: • PTC asks questions about evolution, types, and identification. Not much else, and certainly not something as convoluted as base stats. | |||
: • Those who made PTC were dumb as bricks until the new guy took over, when they became dumb as moss. | |||
: • It was a feature in a kids show dubbed by people who knew less about the canon than the viewers. | |||
: Add everything the guys before me have put, and no, we cannot make a judgement saying that Arcanine beats Kirlia because of game-only mechanics like base stats. --<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">IWanna</font>]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="white">VeryBest</font>]]</span></font> 10:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC) | |||