User talk:TTEchidna/Archive Nov-Dec 09: Difference between revisions

::Why don't we just call them all "that idiot you play as", "that idiot who's a girl you play as", and "that idiot who declared himself your rival"? Gold will get his English "Hibiki" name ''in due time''. Why change everything ''twice'' when we'll have to if we move it anyway? And if "version names are long obsolete", explain why {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Green}} are still Red and Green in HGSS? They "retconned" a lot of other aspects of Kanto/Johto, such as Routes 47 and 48, Elm's house, the Suicune storyline, Lugia and Ho-Oh's involvement with the story, and the presence of the legendary birds. They could have changed Red to Satoshi and Green to Shigeru, especially considering Red's Pikachu '''''is''''' Ash's Pikachu in every aspect, right down to the moveset and gender. Face it: Gen I/II characters (Red, Blue/Green, Leaf, Gold, Silver, Kris) have version names. Gen III/IV characters have actual names (Brendan, May, Lucas, Dawn, Kotone). I agree with you partly on {{ga|Pearl}}, but I don't feel the argument's strong enough to move it (otherwise Blue ''would'' be at Gary). Just because of the "real" names used by characters of the Hoenn and Sinnoh storylines doesn't mean the Kanto and Johto protagonists and rivals change. There's no pattern across them all: the pattern is across the players of the storyline: "Lucas" and "Dawn" are for certain references to light, "Red" and "Leaf" are references to the versions. Gold and Kotone are the only mismatched pairing, but considering that HGSS [[GB Player|might as well be a Generation II game anyway]]... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 23:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Does it matter why didn't they change Red and Blue? Maybe they thought it's too major. That the characters are too classic to get their name changed? It's not that HGSS is only for youths who've never seen GSC at their eyes and they can change everything they won't, the youths won't care. Because, of course, the release of HGSS was total kick for older fans! The retcon of a Gym Leader's name and the Final Boss would be too major and pointless change. HGSS DOES reference GSC and their old methods. Also, there's a holy rule "Lex retro non agit". The old scheme being obsolete IS NOT a reason to change the names of characters who had ACTUAL and canonical NPC names. Renaming Blue and Red would make as much sense as renaming any other Gym Leader or character. Red and Blue's names were decided long time ago. It was to late to change them. The situation is very unlike Gold, Silver and Kris. Those were never supposed to be their official names, never appearing as NPCs (until HGSS, for Gold), being nothing more than optional names. We've assumed those names to be like that but that was only in analogy to Red and Blue. But it was a bad analogy. HGSS denied it. We'll stick to Silver and Kris, of course, because we have no choice. But Gold must be changed to his "Hibiki" English name, when it's revealed. Everything you say is assumed based on various analogies. But Pokemon isn't analogous. Actual facts must be put OVER fan assumption. Assumptions can't be an argument. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

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