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The '''Blue Orb''' (Japanese: '''あいいろのたま''' ''Indigo Orb'') is a [[Key Item]] introduced in [[Generation III]]. It is a [[legendary artifact]] that is associated with {{p|Kyogre}}.
The '''Blue Orb''' (Japanese: '''あいいろのたま''' ''Indigo Orb'') is a [[Key Item]] introduced in [[Generation III]]. It is a [[legendary artifact]] that is associated with {{p|Kyogre}}.


Since {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} in [[Generation VI]], it is type of [[held item]] that causes Kyogre to undergo [[Primal Reversion]] and become [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Kyogre|Primal Kyogre]] upon entering battle.
Since {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} in [[Generation VI]], it is a type of [[held item]] that causes Kyogre to undergo [[Primal Reversion]] and become [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Kyogre|Primal Kyogre]] upon entering battle.


==In the core series games==
==In the core series games==
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In {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Ruby}}, [[Team Magma]] will steal the Blue Orb from the summit of [[Mt. Pyre]] and use it to awaken {{p|Groudon}}. However, as Team Magma has the incorrect orb, they cannot use it to control the super-ancient Pokémon as they intended. After Groudon is captured or defeated by the {{player}}, the player can return to the summit of Mt. Pyre to watch Team Magma Leader [[Maxie]] return the orb to its proper place. Afterwards, the player returns the orb, and Maxie departs. Team Magma is not seen again after this.
In {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Ruby}}, [[Team Magma]] will steal the Blue Orb from the summit of [[Mt. Pyre]] and use it to awaken {{p|Groudon}}. However, as Team Magma has the incorrect orb, they cannot use it to control the super-ancient Pokémon as they intended. After Groudon is captured or defeated by the {{player}}, the player can return to the summit of Mt. Pyre to watch Team Magma Leader [[Maxie]] return the orb to its proper place. Afterwards, the player returns the orb, and Maxie departs. Team Magma is not seen again after this.


In {{game|Emerald}}, the same events that happened in Ruby and Sapphire take place, only both Team Magma and [[Team Aqua]] appear and therefore both the Blue Orb and the Red Orb are stolen. However, the player does not obtain the Blue Orb.
In {{game|Emerald}}, the same events that happened in Ruby and Sapphire take place, only both Team Magma and [[Team Aqua]] appear and therefore both the Blue Orb and the [[Red Orb]] are stolen. However, the player does not obtain the Blue Orb.


In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s|Pokémon HeartGold}}, the Blue Orb is given to the player by [[Mr. Pokémon]] after {{ga|Red}} has been defeated and both the [[National Pokédex]] and a [[Kanto]] [[starter Pokémon]] have been obtained from [[Professor Oak]]. After the orb has been received, the player can encounter {{p|Kyogre}} at the [[Embedded Tower]].
In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s|Pokémon HeartGold}}, the Blue Orb is given to the player by [[Mr. Pokémon]] after {{ga|Red}} has been defeated and both the [[National Pokédex]] and a [[Kanto]] [[first partner Pokémon]] have been obtained from [[Professor Oak]]. After the orb has been received, the player can encounter {{p|Kyogre}} at the [[Embedded Tower]].


In [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Pokémon Alpha Sapphire]], [[Team Aqua]] will steal the Blue Orb from the summit of [[Mt. Pyre]] and use it to awaken {{p|Kyogre}}. As Team Aqua has the correct orb unlike in the [[Generation III]] games, they use it to awaken Kyogre's true power by [[Primal Reversion]]. After leaving the [[Cave of Origin]], Team Aqua Leader [[Archie]] gives the player the Blue Orb that he had stolen.
In [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Pokémon Alpha Sapphire]], [[Team Aqua]] will steal the Blue Orb from the summit of [[Mt. Pyre]] and use it to awaken {{p|Kyogre}}. As Team Aqua has the correct orb unlike in the [[Generation III]] games, they use it to awaken Kyogre's true power by [[Primal Reversion]]. After leaving the [[Cave of Origin]], Team Aqua Leader [[Archie]] gives the player the Blue Orb that he had stolen.
In [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Pokémon Omega Ruby]], shortly after [[Team Magma]] steals the Red Orb from the summit of [[Mt. Pyre]], the player is given the Blue Orb and asked to reunite the pair. Later on at [[Sootopolis City]], [[Wallace]] and [[Archie]] explain that the Blue Orb is capable of protecting the player within the [[Cave of Origin]], reversing the process of [[Primal Reversion]], and calming the awakened {{p|Groudon}}. When the player reaches the depths of the cave, they equip the [[Magma Suit]] and slot the Blue Orb into it, creating a blue barrier around themselves.


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If held by a {{p|Kyogre}}, allows it to undergo [[Primal Reversion]] and become [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Kyogre|Primal Kyogre]] upon entering battle.
If held by a {{p|Kyogre}}, allows it to undergo [[Primal Reversion]] and become [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Kyogre|Primal Kyogre]] upon entering battle.


Unaffected by item negating effects (such as {{m|Embargo}} and {{a|Klutz}}). Item manipulating effects (such as {{m|Trick}} and {{m|Fling}}) cannot give Kyogre a Blue Orb or remove a Blue Orb from Kyogre.  
Unaffected by item negating effects (such as {{m|Embargo}} and {{a|Klutz}}). Item manipulating effects (such as {{m|Trick}} and {{m|Fling}}) cannot give Kyogre a Blue Orb or remove a Blue Orb from Kyogre.


=====Outside of battle=====
=====Outside of battle=====
Pokémon holding Blue Orb in {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} cannot be traded to {{g|X and Y}}.
Pokémon holding a Blue Orb in {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} cannot be traded to {{g|X and Y}}.


===Description===
===Description===
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{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|An orb that glows blue. It is said to contain an incredible power from ancient times.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|An orb that glows blue. It is said to contain an incredible power from ancient times.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev4|HGSS}}<br>{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|A shiny blue orb that is said to have a legend and has a deep connection with the Hoenn region.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev4|HGSS}}<br>{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|A shiny blue orb that is said to have a legend and has a deep connection with the Hoenn region.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}<br>{{gameabbrev7|SMUSUM}}|A shiny blue orb that is said to have a legend tied to it. It's known to have a deep connection with the Hoenn region.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}<br>{{gameabbrev7|SMUSUMPE}}<br>{{gameabbrev8|SwShBDSPLA}}|A shiny blue orb that is said to have a legend tied to it. It's known to have a deep connection with the Hoenn region.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev9|SV}}|A shiny blue orb that is said to have a deep connection to a legend of the Hoenn region.}}
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The Blue Orb was first mentioned in ''[[AG027|A Three Team Scheme!]]'', where [[Tabitha]] revealed that he was in possession of it. However, the [[dub]] incorrectly referred to the item as the Indigo Orb in this episode.
The Blue Orb was first mentioned in ''[[AG027|A Three Team Scheme!]]'', where [[Tabitha]] revealed that he was in possession of it. However, the [[dub]] incorrectly referred to the item as the Indigo Orb in this episode.


The Blue Orb debuted in ''[[AG097|Gaining Groudon]]'', where it was shown to be under the possession of [[Maxie]] to be used to control {{DL|Kyogre and Groudon (Ruby and Sapphire series)|Groudon}}. While [[Shelly]] freed {{DL|Kyogre and Groudon (Ruby and Sapphire series)|Kyogre}} from [[Team Magma]]'s imprisonment, {{AP|Pikachu}} managed to grab the Blue Orb during the chaos. The orb then unexpectedly fused with Pikachu, possessing him and giving him a massive power boost, but also causing him to go on sudden rampages. In ''[[AG098|The Scuffle of Legends]]'', it was revealed that Groudon had deliberately caused the Blue Orb to fuse with Pikachu to get his aid in freeing itself from [[Team Aqua]]'s submarine. After Groudon was freed, it proceeded to battle Kyogre. Once Kyogre was defeated, the Blue Orb extracted itself from Pikachu's body, and was shortly afterwards destroyed, along with the Red Orb.
The Blue Orb debuted in ''[[AG097|Gaining Groudon]]'', where it was shown to be under the possession of [[Maxie]] to be used to control {{DL|Kyogre and Groudon (Ruby and Sapphire series)|Groudon}}. While [[Shelly]] freed {{DL|Kyogre and Groudon (Ruby and Sapphire series)|Kyogre}} from [[Team Magma]]'s imprisonment, {{AP|Pikachu}} managed to grab the Blue Orb during the chaos. The orb then unexpectedly fused with Pikachu, possessing him and giving him a massive power boost, but also causing him to go on sudden rampages. In ''[[AG098|The Scuffle of Legends]]'', it was revealed that Groudon had deliberately caused the Blue Orb to fuse with Pikachu to get his aid in freeing itself from [[Team Aqua]]'s submarine. After Groudon was freed, it proceeded to battle Kyogre. Once Kyogre was defeated, the Blue Orb extracted itself from Pikachu's body, and was destroyed shortly afterwards, along with the Red Orb.


===Pokémon Generations===
===Pokémon Generations===
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==In the manga==
==In the manga==
[[File:Colored orbs Adventures.png|thumb|250px|The Red and Blue Orbs in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
[[File:Colored orbs Adventures.png|thumb|250px|The Red and Blue Orbs in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
[[File:Colored orbs ORAS Adventures.png|thumb|250px|The Red and Blue Orbs in the {{chap|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}}]]
===Pokémon Adventures===
===Pokémon Adventures===
===={{chap|Ruby & Sapphire}}====
===={{MangaArc|Ruby & Sapphire}}====
The Blue Orb (referred to as the "Blue Jewel" in the [[Chuang Yi]] translation) first appeared in ''[[PS228|I'm Always Grumpig First Thing in the Morning II]]'', being guarded by [[Tate and Liza]] on Mt. Pyre, along with the Red Orb. Despite their best efforts to protect the Orbs, they were eventually stolen by {{tc|Magma Admin}} [[Blaise]]. In ''[[PS234|The Beginning of the End with Kyogre & Groudon II]]'', at the [[Seafloor Cavern]], Maxie used the Orbs to awaken both {{DL|Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)|Groudon}} and {{DL|Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)|Kyogre}}, intending to give the former the advantage by using the Orbs. However, as controlling two Legendary Pokémon at the same time started to take too much of his mental capacity, he had the Blue Orb be taken away by [[Tabitha]] so that he could focus on controlling Groudon. While doing what he had been ordered to do, Tabitha was ambushed by {{adv|Amber}}, who used his {{p|Volbeat}}'s {{m|Trick}} to steal the Blue Orb and deliver it to Archie.
The Blue Orb (referred to as the "Blue Jewel" in the [[Chuang Yi]] translation) first appeared in ''[[PS228|I'm Always Grumpig First Thing in the Morning II]]'', being guarded by [[Tate and Liza]] on Mt. Pyre, along with the Red Orb. Despite their best efforts to protect the Orbs, they were eventually stolen by {{tc|Magma Admin}} [[Blaise]]. In ''[[PS234|The Beginning of the End with Kyogre & Groudon II]]'', at the [[Seafloor Cavern]], Maxie used the Orbs to awaken both {{DL|Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)|Groudon}} and {{DL|Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)|Kyogre}}, intending to give the former the advantage by using the Orbs. However, as controlling two Legendary Pokémon at the same time started to take too much of his mental capacity, he had the Blue Orb taken away by [[Tabitha]] so that he could focus on controlling Groudon. While doing what he had been ordered to do, Tabitha was ambushed by {{adv|Amber}}, who used his {{p|Volbeat}}'s {{m|Trick}} to steal the Blue Orb and deliver it to Archie.
 
Later, {{adv|Ruby}} and {{adv|Sapphire}} faced Maxie and Archie in a battle, but had difficulty in reaching them. After Ruby's [[Fofo]] finally managed defeat the two evil team leaders with {{m|Weather Ball}}, Ruby tried to take the Orbs from Maxie and Archie's hands, only to find out that they had started to merge with their holders, making him unable to remove them. Realizing that should the Orbs be absorbed completely, they could never be retrieved, Ruby had [[Kiki]] use {{m|Covet}} on them, but failed. The Orbs then completely merged with the two men, causing the patterns of Groudon and Kyogre to appear on their arms, indicating that ''they'' were now being controlled by the Legendary Pokémon, instead of the other way around. Maxie and Archie grabbed Ruby and Sapphire, and started to fly away, the Orbs' powers being called by Groudon and Kyogre.
 
After the two Legendary Pokémon had started to battle at [[Sootopolis City]], Ruby and Sapphire realized that with the [[Meteorite]] fragments given to them by [[Winona]], they could stop the Orbs' influence over Maxie and Archie, due to them having the ability to stop the power of nature. Using a {{pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Absol}}'s {{m|Magic Coat}} to reflect the meteorite's energy at the two evil team leaders, Ruby and Sapphire were able to turn them back to normal, but also caused a large burst of energy in the process, knocking the two Trainers unconscious. They later woke up at the {{gdis|Mirage Island|III}}, where they then spent some time training with [[Juan]], Tate, and Liza, preparing for the final battle. During the training, Ruby found out that the Orbs needed a human to control them, so that their powers could be maximized, and be absorbed into their controllers. This led him to realize that the Orbs were now inside of him and Sapphire, having chosen them as their new controllers. Juan told Ruby and Sapphire that they needed to learn to control the Orbs, because if their minds weren't strong enough, they would wind up getting controlled by them, just like Maxie and Archie. During the training, [[Courtney]] showed up and offered her help for Ruby to stop the battle between Kyogre and Groudon, as everything had already gone beyond anything Team Magma or Team Aqua wanted, and there was no point of letting the entire [[Hoenn]] getting destroyed. At first, Ruby was reluctant to accept the offer, but eventually agreed in order to protect Sapphire from being possessed by the Blue Orb.


After completing their training, Ruby and Sapphire left the Mirage Island and arrived near Sootopolis City. Having already extracted the Red Orb from his body and having Sapphire extract the Blue Orb from her body, Ruby locked her inside [[Wallace]]'s aircar to protect her, before leaving with Courtney. They tried to stop the battle between the two Legendary Pokémon, but without success. However, as [[Norman]] arrived with {{DL|Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)|Rayquaza}}, the third super-ancient Pokémon of Hoenn, Ruby was able to combine its power with the power of the Orbs to finally stop the fight and calm down Kyogre and Groudon, sending them to continue their slumber. Archie and Maxie then emerged from the [[Cave of Origin]], stealing the Orbs back in order to restart the fight, but were stopped by {{TP|Ruby|Plusle}} and {{TP|Sapphire|Minun}}. With the two men immobilized, Ruby sent out his sixth Pokémon—{{adv|Celebi}}—to swipe the Orbs and destroy them, effectively putting the conflict to its end.
Later, {{adv|Ruby}} and {{adv|Sapphire}} faced Maxie and Archie in a battle, but had difficulty in reaching them. After Ruby's {{p|Castform}}, [[Fofo]], finally managed to defeat the two evil team leaders with {{m|Weather Ball}}, Ruby tried to take the Orbs from Maxie and Archie's hands, only to find out that they had started to merge with their holders, making him unable to remove them. Realizing that should the Orbs be absorbed completely, they could never be retrieved, Ruby had [[Kiki]] use {{m|Covet}} on them, but failed. The Orbs then completely merged with the two men, causing the patterns of Groudon and Kyogre to appear on their arms, indicating that ''they'' were now being controlled by the Legendary Pokémon, instead of the other way around. Maxie and Archie grabbed Ruby and Sapphire, and started to fly away, the Orbs' powers being called by Groudon and Kyogre.
[[File:Colored orbs ORAS Adventures.png|thumb|250px|left|The Red and Blue Orbs in the {{MangaArc|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}}]]
After the two Legendary Pokémon had started to battle at [[Sootopolis City]], Ruby and Sapphire realized that with the [[Meteorite]] fragments given to them by [[Winona]], they could stop the Orbs' influence over Maxie and Archie, due to them having the ability to stop the power of nature. Using a {{pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Absol}}'s {{m|Magic Coat}} to reflect the meteorite's energy at the two evil team leaders, Ruby and Sapphire were able to turn them back to normal, but also caused a large burst of energy in the process, knocking the two Trainers unconscious. They later woke up at {{gdis|Mirage Island|III}}, where they then spent some time training with [[Juan]], Tate, and Liza, preparing for the final battle. During the training, Ruby found out that the Orbs needed a human to control them, so that their powers could be maximized, and be absorbed into their controllers. This led him to realize that the Orbs were now inside of him and Sapphire, having chosen them as their new controllers. Juan told Ruby and Sapphire that they needed to learn to control the Orbs, because if their minds weren't strong enough, they would wind up getting controlled by them, just like Maxie and Archie. During the training, [[Courtney]] showed up and offered her help for Ruby to stop the battle between Kyogre and Groudon, as everything had already gone beyond anything Team Magma or Team Aqua wanted, and there was no point in letting the entire [[Hoenn]] [[region]] get destroyed. At first, Ruby was reluctant to accept the offer, but eventually agreed in order to protect Sapphire from being possessed by the Blue Orb.
[[File:Celebi destroying Red and Blue Orbs.png|thumb|250px|Celebi destroying the Red and Blue Orbs]]
After completing their training, Ruby and Sapphire left the Mirage Island and arrived near Sootopolis City. Having already extracted the Red Orb from his body and having Sapphire extract the Blue Orb from her body, Ruby locked her inside [[Wallace]]'s aircar to protect her, before leaving with Courtney. They tried to stop the battle between the two Legendary Pokémon, but without success. However, as [[Norman]] arrived with {{DL|Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)|Rayquaza}}, the third super-ancient Pokémon of Hoenn, Ruby was able to combine its power with the power of the Orbs to finally stop the fight and calm down Kyogre and Groudon, sending them to continue their slumber. Archie and Maxie then emerged from the [[Cave of Origin]], stealing the Orbs back in order to restart the fight, but were stopped by {{TP|Ruby|Plusle}} and {{TP|Sapphire|Minun}}. With the two men immobilized, Ruby sent out his sixth Pokémon—{{adv|Celebi}}—to swipe the Orbs and destroy them, effectively putting the conflict to an end.


Afterwards, the gemstones that were formed from the shattered Orbs were picked up by {{adv|Giovanni}}, who revealed that these gemstones were actually the Orbs' true forms: the {{i|Ruby}} and {{i|Sapphire}}. Blaise secretly witnessed this, and decided to keep track on the Orbs with his [[Scanner]].
Afterward, the gemstones that were formed from the shattered Orbs were picked up by {{adv|Giovanni}}, who revealed that these gemstones were actually the Orbs' true forms: the {{i|Ruby}} and the {{i|Sapphire}}. Blaise secretly witnessed this, and decided to keep track of the Orbs with his [[Scanner]].


===={{chap|Emerald}}====
===={{MangaArc|Emerald}}====
In ''[[PS327|Facing Gulpin Is Hard to Swallow]]'', it was revealed that [[Spenser]] had also once touched the Blue Orb, causing him to start having nightmares about Kyogre, as well as allowing him to recognize people who had done the same—namely Sapphire and [[Guile Hideout]]—based on a signature dim glow that they had in their eyes.
In ''[[PS327|Facing Gulpin Is Hard to Swallow]]'', it was revealed that [[Spenser]] had also once touched the Blue Orb, causing him to start having nightmares about Kyogre, as well as allowing him to recognize people who had done the same—namely Sapphire and [[Guile Hideout]]—based on a signature dim glow that they had in their eyes.


===={{chap|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}}====
===={{MangaArc|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}}====
In ''[[PAORAS11|Omega Alpha Adventure 11]]'', {{adv|Bill}} revealed that the Ruby and Sapphire, which he had been keeping at the [[Sea Cottage]] ever since [[Team Rocket]]'s defeat, had been regenerating over time back into their states as the Orbs, leading him to realize that the Orbs were manifestations of Hoenn's natural energy. The Orbs were later stolen by Archie and Maxie, who headed back to Hoenn with them, with {{adv|Red}} and {{adv|Green}} in hot pursuit. When Amber and Blaise manipulated {{p|Hoopa}} into summoning Groudon and Kyogre through its rings, the two super-ancient Pokémon started moving towards the Orbs. When the Legendary duo reached Maxie and Archie, the villainous team leaders let them fuse together with the Orbs, causing them both to undergo Primal Reversion.
In ''[[PS607|Blastoise Transforms]]'', {{adv|Bill}} revealed that the Ruby and Sapphire, which he had been keeping at the [[Sea Cottage]] ever since [[Team Rocket]]'s defeat, had been regenerating over time back into their states as the Orbs, leading him to realize that the Orbs were manifestations of Hoenn's natural energy. The Orbs were later stolen by Archie and Maxie, who headed back to Hoenn with them. When Amber and Blaise manipulated {{p|Hoopa}} into summoning Groudon and Kyogre through its rings, the two super-ancient Pokémon started moving towards the Orbs. When the Legendary duo reached Maxie and Archie, the villainous team leaders let them fuse together with the Orbs, causing them both to undergo Primal Reversion.


==In other languages==
==In other languages==
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** [[Red Orb]]
** [[Red Orb]]
** [[Jade Orb]]
** [[Jade Orb]]
* [[List of Key Items in Generation III]]
* [[List of Key Items (Generation III)]]
* [[List of Key Items in Generation IV]]
* [[List of Key Items (Generation IV)]]


==External links==
==External links==
*On Smogon's Itemdex:
{{SItem/6|item=blue-orb}}
**[http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/items/blue_orb/ Generation VI]
**[http://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/items/blue_orb/ Generation VII]


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