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::One other thing. That might not be definitely confirmable, but something that is much more definite is that of Lass Alexandra and Ace Trainer Jirard- likely references to Jirard Khalil (The Completionist) and Alex Faciane- also known as the Super Beard Bros. This is not simply conjecture; the Pokémon utilised primarily in their dual playthrough of Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen were, respectively, of the Dratini and Clefairy line- even being in their video thumbnails. With the similar naming of Arin, Danny, and Ross- alongside, albeit in a much less concrete manner, the Growlithe line (this is pure conjecture, however it fits a pattern) being named Austin and Satch (possibly to reference other YouTube content creators Austin "PeanutButterGamer" Hargrave and Satchell "Satchbag" Drakes, both at some time members of the NormalBoots group. All of these creators have collaborated with each other, so it's not just a mixed bag of references- it's a specific group of YouTube creators). There's a lot there, and I'm not completely sure it can even be called inconclusive at the moment. It's not the first time Pokémon games have alluded to fan creations- Interviewers Roxy & Oli were references to a Let's Play on the SomethingAwful Forums, frequented by Nob Ogasarawa, a translator for the games. It's no stretch to say that there may have been a member of the translation team that intended these references to occur. Whether it deserves to be put on the article is not my decision. [[User:TraxScrip813|TraxScrip813]] ([[User talk:TraxScrip813|talk]]) 00:25, 21 June 2020 (UTC) | ::One other thing. That might not be definitely confirmable, but something that is much more definite is that of Lass Alexandra and Ace Trainer Jirard- likely references to Jirard Khalil (The Completionist) and Alex Faciane- also known as the Super Beard Bros. This is not simply conjecture; the Pokémon utilised primarily in their dual playthrough of Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen were, respectively, of the Dratini and Clefairy line- even being in their video thumbnails. With the similar naming of Arin, Danny, and Ross- alongside, albeit in a much less concrete manner, the Growlithe line (this is pure conjecture, however it fits a pattern) being named Austin and Satch (possibly to reference other YouTube content creators Austin "PeanutButterGamer" Hargrave and Satchell "Satchbag" Drakes, both at some time members of the NormalBoots group. All of these creators have collaborated with each other, so it's not just a mixed bag of references- it's a specific group of YouTube creators). There's a lot there, and I'm not completely sure it can even be called inconclusive at the moment. It's not the first time Pokémon games have alluded to fan creations- Interviewers Roxy & Oli were references to a Let's Play on the SomethingAwful Forums, frequented by Nob Ogasarawa, a translator for the games. It's no stretch to say that there may have been a member of the translation team that intended these references to occur. Whether it deserves to be put on the article is not my decision. [[User:TraxScrip813|TraxScrip813]] ([[User talk:TraxScrip813|talk]]) 00:25, 21 June 2020 (UTC) | ||
:::Oh, and an addendum to the Jimi Hendrix thing. Hiker Jim is not a reference. If it was Guitarist Jim, you could infer it. If it was Guitarist ''Jimi'', then it would be pretty obviously a reference. Nearly nobody spells their name like that, and Hendrix is by and large the only person of heavy acclaim to use that spelling. And if there was also a group of trainers named Jack, Eric, and Ginger, one could make a reasonable assumption that it was an allusion to the band Cream because of the Jimi Hendrix reference. I still don't know if this passes the test, I just thought this was an important distinction to make. [[User:TraxScrip813|TraxScrip813]] ([[User talk:TraxScrip813|talk]]) 13:37, 15 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
== West and Keaton == | |||
Another user has removed this line of trivia from this page for being speculation: | |||
<nowiki>** The English names of the {{p|Zubat}} and {{p|Golbat}} Master Trainers, West and Keaton, are possible references to {{wp|Adam West}} and {{wp|Michael Keaton}}, both of whom have played the role of {{wp|Batman}}.</nowiki> | |||
I do not see a reason to remove this, and would like to re-add it, as many trivia sections on the site include speculation, including several other points of trivia in the section this was removed from. [[User:Minibug|Minibug]] ([[User talk:Minibug|talk]]) 18:45, 20 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I support this. Two Trainers using bat Pokémon being named after Batman actors hardly seems like a coincidence. Plus, the trivia point includes the word "possible", so it's not trying to pass itself off as a verified, undeniable fact, just as something that is very likely. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
::The section with this bit of trivia has been correctly labelled as speculation, with each trivia being said to be a "possible" reference, not a confirmed one. Thus, I '''support''' readding. → [[User:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:red">Pika</span>]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|<span style="color:green">Tepig</span>]][[Special:Contribs/PikaTepig999|<span style="color:blue">999</span>]] 18:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::The trivium has been reinstated per consensus. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#32b761">'''Land'''</span>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#5f6775"><small>'''fish7'''</small></span>]] 23:33, 20 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Readding removed trivia == | |||
In addition to the trivia point mentioned in the above section, I'd like to propose the reintroduction of two trivia points they were once removed from the trivia section: | |||
* The Dratini Master Trainer's name, Jirard, is a potential reference to the YouTuber "The Completionist", who once completed Pokémon FireRed/LeafGreen using a Dratini. | |||
* Several Master Trainers share their names with characters from The Simpsons: Moe, Barney, Ralph, and Seymour. All of them are Bird Keepers and use Flying-type Pokémon, giving them a common characteristic and, in my opinion, evidence that this could be an intentional reference.<br> | |||
Feel free to voice your opinions regarding what you think of these. Me, personally, I would be happy to see at least the latter one re-added. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Jirard: Eh... would rather stay away from mentioning him. I don't think he has any affinity towards the Dratini line outside of using it in the FRLG playthrough. <s>Pikachu would make more sense anyway.</s> | |||
:Simpsons: A bunch of random characters with no relation to flying, unlike the ''bat'' Master trainers being named after ''bat''man actors. Just a random coincidence, doubt it was intentional.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F34134">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F7837B">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#8334B7">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#AE7BD0">ire</span>]] 06:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC) | |||