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:[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (WiiWare)|The games everyone forgot about.]] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 14:32, 16 July 2015 (UTC) | :[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (WiiWare)|The games everyone forgot about.]] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 14:32, 16 July 2015 (UTC) | ||
::Yeah I figured that out myself after awile guess I was too fast to ask :P Sorry. But if we need those pages wouldn't be better to say that we need Exiting Meadow instead since that one is next in line? --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 10:52, 17 July 2015 (UTC) | ::Yeah I figured that out myself after awile guess I was too fast to ask :P Sorry. But if we need those pages wouldn't be better to say that we need Exiting Meadow instead since that one is next in line? --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 10:52, 17 July 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::Well can someone please change this to [[Pokémon Village (Mystery Dungeon)|Pokémon Village]], [[Pokémon Beach]], | :::Well can someone please change this to [[Pokémon Village (Mystery Dungeon)|Pokémon Village]], [[Pokémon Beach]], {{OBP|Pokémon Garden|Mystery Dungeon}}, [[Exciting Meadow]], or [[Sparkling Meadow]] I think some of those are more suited to start with than [[Weird Forest]] --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] ([[User talk:Raltseye|talk]]) 02:42, 28 September 2015 (UTC) | ||
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We should use "rescue team camp" instead of "friend area" throughout all camp articles. [[User:Qzekrom|Qzekrom]] ([[User talk:Qzekrom|talk]]) 16:38, 11 March 2020 (UTC) | We should use "rescue team camp" instead of "friend area" throughout all camp articles. [[User:Qzekrom|Qzekrom]] ([[User talk:Qzekrom|talk]]) 16:38, 11 March 2020 (UTC) | ||
== Seeking information on some of the spinoff games == | |||
I was wondering if there are any users out there who can provide information on the following games: | |||
* The Chinese version of Pokémon Quest, which has several unique features | |||
* The three Pokémon Mystery Dungeon WiiWare titles | |||
If anybody out there has information on these games, please feel free to add information and images. Thanks in advance! [[User:Buzzfan120|Buzzfan120]] ([[User talk:Buzzfan120|talk]]) 22:53, 22 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Adding more detail to Pokemon: Unite item and Pokemon pages? == | |||
Hi, | |||
I have noticed that some of the held items and battle items on [[Pokémon UNITE|the Pokemon Unite page]] and the Pokemon on [[List of Pokémon (UNITE)|the Pokemon Unite List of Pokemon page]] are not written in as much detail as the corresponding pages on [https://unite-db.com/ UniteDB]. | |||
UniteDB lists the exact values for what items are doing and exactly what Pokemon moves do, compared to the Bulbapedia articles which often use generic language (such as ''increased damage'' instead of saying how much damage is increased by, ''damage over time'' instead of the exact number of seconds an effect lasts for, or for the potion item ''restores some of your Pokemon's HP'' instead of ''restores 160 HP plus 20% of your max HP''). This aligns with the way that the official Pokemon Unite website and the game itself talk about Pokemon moves and items, but it is much less useful than having the exact values available. As a result, UniteDB is seen as the go-to resource for looking up anything related to Pokemon Unite instead of Bulbapedia. | |||
I was wondering if we have permission to edit the Pokemon Unite articles on Bulbapedia in order to expand on the descriptions of Pokemon moves and items. This could be done by adding some of the exact values from UniteDB while retaining the structure of the original structure of the content on Bulbapedia. Technically those values from UniteDB are actual stats from the game code and how it works, so it isn't really copying UniteDB as long as we only take the values and don't copy-paste exactly the same way that they have said things. Unless there is some other reason I am unaware of for not adding these exact values, such as the data being unverifiable, or trying to keep the articles simple and not overwhelming people with stats. If one of these is the case, it might be a good idea to link the UniteDB website at the bottom of one (or both) of the mentioned Pokemon Unite pages for people looking for more in-depth and detailed information about the game. | |||
--[[User:Catbert45|Catbert45]] ([[User talk:Catbert45|talk]]) 05:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Two NEW pages to add/help to add == | |||
Hey Everyone! | |||
I have two pages that should be added to the mainspace, both related to Pokemon Masters EX. One is about [[User:AsherNix08|Seasonal Outfit]]s and the other about [[User:Connixstar08/6★ EX|EX Styles]]. If anyone can look over them and see if they are eligible to be put on the mainspace, that would be great.----[[User:AsherNix08|<span style="color:blue">AsherNiX</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:AsherNix08|<span style="color:silver">TaLK</span>]])''</small> 03:09, 16 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
:I think the pages are very good WIP, it'd probably be better to finish your development before they get mainspaced. They both still have WIP sections, but once those are taken care of I don't see why they couldn't be! --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 10:40, 10 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Story info for Masters characters == | |||
This has come up before in discussions I've had with individual users, so I figure we should have a broad discussion about the topic so we can come to a consensus about how to implement this. | |||
A big weakness of our Masters character pages at the moment is that they are very mechanic-focused. Any information about the character's role in the main story, explanations how they got their partner Pokémon, etc. is relegated to trivia if it's present at all. I'd like for us to start adding story information about Masters characters; the story appearances sections I've been adding to pages will be a big help with writing them. | |||
However, I'm not sure where would be the best place to put this information. At the top of the character page? At the bottom, below all the sync pair listings? On the character's main page? It might even make sense to put some basic information on the character's main page and more detailed information on their Masters page. What do y'all think? [[User:Storm Aurora|'''<span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left,#9CB8C6,#625A88);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">Storm Aurora</span>''']] ([[User talk:Storm Aurora|talk]]) 01:51, 30 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
:How much content are we talking about? Cause older/more popular characters like {{mas|Rosa}} and {{mas|Misty}} have quite a bit of technical data; if story content doubles the page size, I think we'd have to figure something else out. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 02:38, 4 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
::I don't think it'd be that much; the {{DL|Paulo|In the games}} section on Paulo's page is a good example of what I imagine these sections would look like for the most plot-relevant characters. [[User:Storm Aurora|'''<span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left,#9CB8C6,#625A88);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">Storm Aurora</span>''']] ([[User talk:Storm Aurora|talk]]) 22:09, 4 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::Then I'd say add the info there and follow the regular character format: role, Pokémon, gallery, etc. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 15:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::Added an {{DL|Ryuki (Masters)|In the games}} section to Ryuki's page as an example. I'm not attached to the section or subsection titles, but the basic idea is that each character should have info about: | |||
::::* Their personality and backstory. This is liable to have a lot of overlap with the character's main page, but only events that are specifically referenced in Masters would be mentioned. | |||
::::* Their history and relationships on Pasio. This includes things like their attitude towards the PML, information about other regions they learned on Pasio, and their opinion on the player character. | |||
::::* Their roles in stories. I expect this section would be ordered the same as quotes pages: PML Arc, Legendary Adventures, Villain Arc, Mysterious Stones Chapter, Champion Stadium, Battle Villa, events, sync pair stories. | |||
::::* Their Pokémon. This section is specifically for lore-related information about their Pokémon, so Pokémon currently in the "other" section would be moved here. Any details we know about the Pokémon, how it was obtained, and its relationship with its Trainer can be included here. This should include Pokémon they're shown to use in stories, Pokémon they use in battles, and Pokémon that they mention having. | |||
::::I'm not sure where things like log-in conversations would be covered (if at all). Otherwise, this is basically how I think the sections should be laid out. Feel free to discuss any improvements or changes you can think of, including things you don't think are necessary, things you think should be included on the character's main page, and section title suggestions. [[User:Storm Aurora|'''<span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left,#9CB8C6,#625A88);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">Storm Aurora</span>''']] ([[User talk:Storm Aurora|talk]]) 20:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::Considering Masters is a very story based game, I'd feel that this would be relevant to the pages, particularly as characters may sometimes gain more character development than their canon main game counterpart. You'd need to make sure it doesn't just become a list of events that they featured in written in prose. The length of Paulo's section is ok as he is a main rival and original character in these games. However, I don't feel the character sections for the others should be as long.[[User:Wowy|<span style="color:#AAAAFF">'''Wowy'''</span>]][[User talk:Wowy|<sub style="color:#B69E00;">'''(talk)'''</sub>]] 07:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::::Some characters like Brock and Misty have so much story that adding all of their stuff would be way too much. I'm not really sure about this, though it could be my personal difficulty for accepting big, sudden changes coming through. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Articles from Contributing Writers and UNITE == | |||
We need to think about/rethink source priority, because we have a critical problem. Currently, invisible policy says articles from Pokemon.com written by contributing writers are given the absolute lowest tier of authority. Basically, they are wrong unless proven right by something else. I dislike it, I think it's dumb, but that's not the deal. No the deal is that certain terms to use for Pokémon UNITE are only provided from those kinds of articles, to the point where saying they "no way, no how, cannot count" is paramount to making them impossible to write and difficult to read. Where does the term "objective Pokémon" come from? [https://www.pokemon.com/us/strategy/pokemon-unite-theia-sky-ruins-overview Those] [https://www.pokemon.com/us/strategy/pokemon-unite-strategy-wild-pokemon-battle-tactics-in-5-on-5-battles articles]. (I think "boss" only exists in terms of PvE battles and doesn't apply to regular battles, so that's out.) How about the "Pit", used for that area in the Central Area where an objective Pokémon appears? [https://www.pokemon.com/us/strategy/pokemon-unite-theia-sky-ruins-overview Also from those articles], and writing around it gets difficult once you realize there are three different layers of Central Area and none of them are named. As far as I can determine, no location in UNITE actually calls moves physical or special. No, all we have is [https://www.pokemon.com/us/strategy/pokemon-unite-strategy-held-items-and-suggested-builds this article] saying damage can be "Attack damage" and "Sp. Atk damage". (I'm loathe to go and plug one games terms into another game just because the other game's terms sound funny. That's full on slippery slope territory based on what people consider goofy/incorrect or not. Also, technically Bulbapedia says each Pokémon has a damage type, so it would appear that "Attack damage" is derived from "damage type") | |||
I think there needs to be a policy about determining what happens when the only name for a concept is from a "source of low priority". I think that such a policy should allow the low priority source to be considered "true", because there comes a point where denying terms just makes things less readable. I would very much appreciate only having to say, "Outer portion of Central Area", "Inner Portion of Central Area", and "Pit", rather than the unholy concoction of "Outermost Portion of Central Area", "Middle Portion of Central Area", and "Innermost Portion of Central Area". Using the shorthand that exist makes it easier to read and easier to draw out the picture of the area in your head from the text. It allows for distinguishing what classes of Pokémon exist, and it makes so that we have fewer unknown names running around. It also makes it so that people searching for terms they think are true (because why would the official website lie to them) can actually find the pages. | |||
Notably, this little issue prevents the wild Pokémon article for UNITE from being written until resolved because it affects how that is sectioned, so there's that. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 16:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC) | |||