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Hold on, I thought this wiki has to use official names for everything. This page is dividing the status conditions by a bundle of unofficial categories, like Major, Next Turn, Transient and Priming. None of those are official words, right? The game just names these after the move with no overarching categorization. (With the exception of the Wraps and Fire Spins of the world because of the Binding Band and Grip Claw.) Doesn't this mean that we can't sort these concepts by those terms unless they are clearly marked as conjectural terms that are fully made up for wiki organization reasons? [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 11:17, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | Hold on, I thought this wiki has to use official names for everything. This page is dividing the status conditions by a bundle of unofficial categories, like Major, Next Turn, Transient and Priming. None of those are official words, right? The game just names these after the move with no overarching categorization. (With the exception of the Wraps and Fire Spins of the world because of the Binding Band and Grip Claw.) Doesn't this mean that we can't sort these concepts by those terms unless they are clearly marked as conjectural terms that are fully made up for wiki organization reasons? [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 11:17, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:I wouldn't say that we can ''never'' use conjectural names in section headers. In fact, I think most section headers are going to be some level of conjectural. However, in the specific case of this page, I tend to agree that the categorization being applied here isn't great. I think it makes sense to have some level of grouping ("transient" in particular should be separated from long-term status conditions). But IMO it would be better to group them by broad functional properties, not categorizing them by effect. What I mean by that is that status effects that show up on the UI should be grouped together, and things that don't (e.g. Power Trick, Ability change) are generally fundamentally different. But I really dislike vague categories like "Next Turn" and "Effectiveness". | |||
:Also, more generally, I think this page really needs a bunch of content split out of it. I made a draft for theoretically splitting [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Drowsy|Drowsy]] (the condition caused by Yawn, not to be confused with the status condition in Legends: Arceus) a few years ago, and I think that kind of approach could really help this mess of a page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
::It's "Major" that's the massive red flag, because when you say that it kind of has to be backed up by other places (which don't have to be official necessarily) saying that these are the important ones. Because otherwise, what makes Substitute major that Automatize doesn't have? The other ones could instead be worded to be less name like, which makes it more clear they're grouped by effect. For example: "Conditions that have effects on the next turn" is more clearly not a name than "Next Turn" and "Conditions that only affect the current turn" is more clearly not a name than "transient". | |||
::Would a split of certain conditions really help? These are all conditions, so a page that is a list of all conditions still has to show them even if they have main articles. The "voltileness" split would have an effect, but not popping a couple of conditions out because they still have to be listed here. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 13:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::I agree that descriptive section headers would be more clear. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#00d1bc">'''Land'''</span>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#006699"><small>'''fish7'''</small></span>]] 18:10, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::I support making the section headers more descriptive. As for SnorlaxMonster's suggestion, if all the details about the conditions were put on individual pages, then this page could be simplified to having just a table for each section instead of having a ridiculous number of sub-headers that each has like one or two sentences in it. [[User:Storm Aurora|'''<span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left,#9CB8C6,#625A88);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">Storm Aurora</span>''']] ([[User talk:Storm Aurora|talk]]) 01:42, 31 January 2024 (UTC) | |||