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:Sturdy only applies when the Pokémon has full health. So the only Pokémon that is guaranteed to knock itself out with Struggle would be Shedinja, and I believe iirc that it will survive with Sturdy as its ability. (You can legitimately get a Shedinja with Sturdy with HA Carbink w/ Skill Swap.) <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 19:42, 30 March 2014 (UTC) | :Sturdy only applies when the Pokémon has full health. So the only Pokémon that is guaranteed to knock itself out with Struggle would be Shedinja, and I believe iirc that it will survive with Sturdy as its ability. (You can legitimately get a Shedinja with Sturdy with HA Carbink w/ Skill Swap.) <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 19:42, 30 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
::I'd say that should be tested. Struggle says recoil-preventing Abilities don't stop Struggle's "recoil", and Sturdy says that it doesn't prevent a Pokemon from knocking itself out with recoil damage. I'd imagine Shedinja would KO itself if it used Struggle while it had Sturdy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:50, 30 March 2014 (UTC) | ::I'd say that should be tested. Struggle says recoil-preventing Abilities don't stop Struggle's "recoil", and Sturdy says that it doesn't prevent a Pokemon from knocking itself out with recoil damage. I'd imagine Shedinja would KO itself if it used Struggle while it had Sturdy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:50, 30 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::Maybe test it by having Shedinja use a recoil move that it does know? | :::Maybe test it by having Shedinja use a recoil move that it does know? {{unsigned|StrongRadd}} | ||
::::For anyone actually intending to test it, I looked it up, and Shedinja's only recoil move (other than Struggle) is Double-Edge, which it gets only from FRLG/E/XD move tutors. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Gen 1 Glitch == | |||
Should the gen 1 glitch that caused wild pokémon to have infinite PP be mentioned as it prevents wild pokemon from being able to use struggle? [[User:Zombiedude347|Zombiedude347]] ([[User talk:Zombiedude347|talk]]) 09:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
==Struggle REALLY didn't appear in the anime?== | |||
Because Struggle is just... Struggle. Something that the Pokémon does when it is not using their moves (Normally for lack of PP). From that thought... Any physical blow used by the Pokémon that doesn't suit any of its moves, would be Struggle. | |||
The best example of this is how the Pokémon fought their clones in the first movie. They weren't using any of their official moves, they were doing a "pure combat". A "Struggle". | |||
Even if we think they were using Tackle, some Pokémon definitely didn't have that move at that moment. Ash's Pikachu is an example. [[User:Vinix|Vinix]] ([[User talk:Vinix|talk]]) 05:34, 6 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
==Chilan Berry Interaction== | |||
I just used Struggle against a wild Rattata holding a Chilan Berry in Platinum, and the Chilan Berry was stated to have triggered. It would have been a 1-hit knockout even at half damage, so I don't know if the damage was actually reduced or not. It may be worth investigating and noting somewhere in the article, as I thought Struggle was now typeless, not Normal. [[User:Xelrog T. Apocalypse|- Xelrog T. Apocalypse]] ([[User talk:Xelrog T. Apocalypse|talk]]) 19:41, 27 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
: In Gen V onwards, Struggle is counted as typeless. In Gen IV though, I think it counts as a Normal-Type move that ignores the type chart. I might be wrong but I think it's how Struggle works in Gen 4. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 20:03, 27 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Struggle in Pokemon Rumble World == | |||
So, in Pokemon Rumble World, I noticed that Struggle (which can be learned by rusty Pokemon) appears and acts like a Normal type move. I tried it against Rock type Pokemon, and it wasn't very effective, but used it on a Normal type, with normal effectiveness. I haven't tried it with STAB yet. Should this be added to the wiki? | |||
[[User:PsyShock04|PsyShock04]] ([[User talk:PsyShock04|talk]]) 17:58, 11 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Bypass accuracy in Legends: Arceus? == | |||
I encountered the following strange situation in LA. Abra uses Struggle against Mr. Mime, but 1) the animation does not play 2) Mr. Mime takes no damage 3) Abra still gets 25% recoil damage. Note that on the previous turn, Abra successfully used Struggle, the animation did play and Mr. Mime did take some damage. Therefore, was it a bug or can Struggle actually miss in Legends: Arceus, despite what is stated in the article? [[User:Y2110|Y2110]] ([[User talk:Y2110|talk]]) 23:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC) | |||