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It used Gust, and that is it. We could say that Gust was really supposed to be Defog or whatever. We could say ANYTHING, because this error was present in the original version as well. Keep it plz. D: [[User:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">Tina</span>]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">The</span>]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#E75480;">Kirlia</span>]] ♥ | It used Gust, and that is it. We could say that Gust was really supposed to be Defog or whatever. We could say ANYTHING, because this error was present in the original version as well. Keep it plz. D: [[User:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">Tina</span>]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">The</span>]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#E75480;">Kirlia</span>]] ♥ 18:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
I just watched One Big Happiny Family, and this time Ash told Staravia to do Whirlwind. | I just watched One Big Happiny Family, and this time Ash told Staravia to do Whirlwind. [[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#EEC226;">'''Poke'''</span><span style="color:#F05030;">'''maniac'''</span><span style="color:#5C8CFA;">'''102'''</span>]] 16:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
I watched [[DP055|Throwing the Track Switch]] this morning and I believe Ash said Gust!--[[User:Kuki]] | I watched [[DP055|Throwing the Track Switch]] this morning and I believe Ash said Gust!--[[User:Kuki]] | ||
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Couldn't Staravia's Wing Attack be Steel Wing cause it's wings glow white when it uses it. | Couldn't Staravia's Wing Attack be Steel Wing cause it's wings glow white when it uses it. | ||
:No, Ash tells Staravia to use Wing Attack, not Steel Wing. -- | :No, Ash tells Staravia to use Wing Attack, not Steel Wing. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 11:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Well I kow that, but the english dub could have gotten it wrong. | ::Well I kow that, but the english dub could have gotten it wrong. | ||
:::Ash says Wing Attack in the Japanese version too... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 22:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC) | :::Ash says Wing Attack in the Japanese version too... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 22:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== Protection? == | == Protection? == | ||
Yeah, I saw Staraptor in DP066's preview... so I'm wodering, would it be a good idea to protect this ''and'' DP066 until next week just in case? Even though we see no "whoo, white glow on Staravia" like before with Aipom... <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span> | Yeah, I saw Staraptor in DP066's preview... so I'm wodering, would it be a good idea to protect this ''and'' DP066 until next week just in case? Even though we see no "whoo, white glow on Staravia" like before with Aipom... <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 22:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Well it was also rumored that Paul was batteling with a Honchcrow, so maybe his Murkrow evolved with Staravia. I say that both pages should be protected. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 23:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC) | :Well it was also rumored that Paul was batteling with a Honchcrow, so maybe his Murkrow evolved with Staravia. I say that both pages should be protected. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 23:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Ash's Staravia is STILL Staravia. Turns out that Staraptor is Reiji's Staraptor. [[User:Ej92|Ej92]] 12:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC) | ::Ash's Staravia is STILL Staravia. Turns out that Staraptor is Reiji's Staraptor. [[User:Ej92|Ej92]] 12:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Yeah here it is. You'll see it at 00:21 or 22 http://youtube.com/watch?v=vOnompLPwlU | Yeah here it is. You'll see it at 00:21 or 22 http://youtube.com/watch?v=vOnompLPwlU | ||
:If it know's Close Combat, it defiently belongs to Maylene....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 22:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC) | :If it know's Close Combat, it defiently belongs to Maylene....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 22:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
::How's that prove anything? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span> | ::How's that prove anything? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 23:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Well I was just saying that if it knows a Fighting move, it probably belongs to Maylene.....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 00:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | :::Well I was just saying that if it knows a Fighting move, it probably belongs to Maylene.....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 00:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::That's like thinking Buneary once was Candice's because it knows Ice Beam... <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span> | ::::That's like thinking Buneary once was Candice's because it knows Ice Beam... <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 00:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::::No, I'm just saying that since there's a Staraptor in the picture and we don't know whose it is, I'm just making an {probably incorrect) assumption. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 02:41, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | :::::No, I'm just saying that since there's a Staraptor in the picture and we don't know whose it is, I'm just making an {probably incorrect) assumption. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 02:41, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
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I erased it. | I erased it. | ||
This bird has a personality? I don't think so. Personal opinion doesn't count here. <span style="background:#000000;"> | This bird has a personality? I don't think so. Personal opinion doesn't count here. <span style="background:#000000;">[[User:Greysky|<span style="color:#FF0000;">'''''Grey'''''</span>]][[User talk:Greysky|<span style="color:#FF0000;">'''''sky'''''</span>]]</span> 00:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
Yeah but when Ash said he wasn't going to use Staravia in his gim battle it jumped up with a shocked look and began to cry. | Yeah but when Ash said he wasn't going to use Staravia in his gim battle it jumped up with a shocked look and began to cry. | ||
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Shouldn't it be listed as "unknown" because it's not 100% confirmed ([[User:GT4GTR|--<font color=#EED55E><sup>●</sup></font>[[User:GT4GTR|<font color=#4F506D>'''GT4GTR'''</font>]] <small>[[User talk:GT4GTR|<font color=#D6282C>''/ talk /''</font>]]</small>]] 11:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC)) | Shouldn't it be listed as "unknown" because it's not 100% confirmed ([[User:GT4GTR|--<font color=#EED55E><sup>●</sup></font>[[User:GT4GTR|<font color=#4F506D>'''GT4GTR'''</font>]] <small>[[User talk:GT4GTR|<font color=#D6282C>''/ talk /''</font>]]</small>]] 11:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC)) | ||
Yes it should...<span style="background:#000000;"> | Yes it should...<span style="background:#000000;">[[User:Crystallucario|<span style="color:#FF0000;">'''''Crystal'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Crystallucario|<span style="color:#FF0000;">'''''Lucario'''''</span>]]</span> 12:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
:But Staravia have gander differences, therefore we can assume it's gender. Big Spot = Male; Little Spot = Female... [[User:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''TESH'''</span>]][[User_talk:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''IGIGAS'''</span>]] 13:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC) | :But Staravia have gander differences, therefore we can assume it's gender. Big Spot = Male; Little Spot = Female... [[User:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''TESH'''</span>]][[User_talk:Tesh|<span style="color:#B7AD96;">'''IGIGAS'''</span>]] 13:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
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It's confirmed as Male (Dub-Only)--[[User:David aipom|<span style="color:blue">''デビッド Aipom ''</span>]] [[User talk:David aipom|<span style="color:green"><small>(Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 </small></span>]] 10:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | It's confirmed as Male (Dub-Only)--[[User:David aipom|<span style="color:blue">''デビッド Aipom ''</span>]] [[User talk:David aipom|<span style="color:green"><small>(Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 </small></span>]] 10:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== English VA? == | == English VA? == | ||
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:: Oddly, I could've swore I've heard Dawn refer to Staravia as "She" once or twice... lol. I just can't imagine Staravia as being male with the voice it has >_< [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 13:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC) | :: Oddly, I could've swore I've heard Dawn refer to Staravia as "She" once or twice... lol. I just can't imagine Staravia as being male with the voice it has >_< [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 13:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
::: Ehh, you forgot that {{tt|his|gender based from TTE}} Japanese voice actor is Kiyotaka Furushima, the voice actor of Paul.. '''<span style="color:#E3E3E3">►</span>[[User:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#A2958D">Ҝə</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">υz</span>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#BBBBBB">ø8</span>]]''' 14:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC) | ::: Ehh, you forgot that {{tt|his|gender based from TTE}} Japanese voice actor is Kiyotaka Furushima, the voice actor of Paul.. '''<span style="color:#E3E3E3">►</span>[[User:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#A2958D">Ҝə</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">υz</span>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#BBBBBB">ø8</span>]]''' 14:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Since It's Now Protected . . . == | == Since It's Now Protected . . . == | ||
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:Has Staraptor ever been seen using Intimidate and/or referenced as having used Intimidate? Didn't think so. If no ability's been confirmed to have been used, we leave it as unknown, even if the Pokémon has only one possible ability at the present time. For all we know, Staraptor'll get a new ability in [[Generation V]] and Prof. Oak'll call Ash sometime after beating a {{t|Dark}}-type gym in the [[country]] where Generation V takes place and reveal that he's studied Staraptor using that new ability. Simply put, if it's not used, it's left as unknown, simple as that. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:04, 2 May 2009 (UTC) | :Has Staraptor ever been seen using Intimidate and/or referenced as having used Intimidate? Didn't think so. If no ability's been confirmed to have been used, we leave it as unknown, even if the Pokémon has only one possible ability at the present time. For all we know, Staraptor'll get a new ability in [[Generation V]] and Prof. Oak'll call Ash sometime after beating a {{t|Dark}}-type gym in the [[country]] where Generation V takes place and reveal that he's studied Staraptor using that new ability. Simply put, if it's not used, it's left as unknown, simple as that. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:04, 2 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Streak == | |||
I saw this in Ash's Swellow trivia: "Swellow has won at least once in every battle it has been used in except against Morrison where it tied with his Gligar, and as a Taillow, it lost to Brawly's Machop upon Ash's first challenge, and against Drew's Roselia in Now That's Flower Power!. " | |||
If I'm not wrong, this is also true for staraptor, since it evolved into staravia, he has won at least once in every battle before being knocked out. And as a Staraptor he hasn't broken the streak [[User:Luord|Luord]] 20:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)Luord | |||
:Personally I think that trivia is a bit contrived, but ignoring that, it would have to note the loss to Gardenia in Eterna Forest in [[DP031]]. | |||
:Also, just a note, when you sign you don't need to type your username after the tildes. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</sc> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 22:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I'm personally of the belief that if a trivial point says "''... except for...''" then it's not a very good trivia point. —'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 22:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Yep, I forgot that battle with Gardenia, but as a Staraptor i think it has kept the streak, unless I'm missing something[[User:Luord|Luord]] 23:38, 23 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
==DP186== | |||
Doesn't Staraptor's involvement in the battle sound weird? I mean how it's posted.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 01:17, 7 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Only one? == | |||
Just watched DP002, and is Staraptor (as a Starly) the only Pokémon Ash caught without the presence of Pikachu? <span style="font-family:Cracked; font-size:125%"><sup>[[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|<span style="color:#303030;">tc</span>]]</sup>[[User:Tc26|<span style="color:#e03828;">²₆</span>]][[User talk:Tc26|<span style="color:#303030;">tc</span>]]<sub>[[User:Tc26/Sandbox|<span style="color:#e03828;">26</span>]]</sub></span> 03:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
: Well there is Palpitoad (Pikachu was sick) but Starly might be the first. Looking at the Pokemon I think it's debatable but there is Krabby as a possibility. But Starly might have been the first no question. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 04:25, 7 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Trivia and move table == | |||
The trivia point says the dub left it as gust until the first episode it apparently used Gust in (according to the move table). And the trivia point also states that even the Original Japanese version called it Gust instead of whirlwind? Can someone explain why to me please because it doesn't really make sense, especially if you follow the trivia point--[[User:Ditto51|<span style="color:#00FF00">Ditto51/Tom</span>]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|<span style="color:#FF0000">My</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Talk</span> <span style="color:#FFFF00">Page</span>]]) 09:08, 20 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Gender difference == | |||
[[File:Ash Squallville PokéRinger.png|250px|thumb|right|Forehead patch doesn't go beyond eyes, it's female?]] | |||
I've already edited it three times, it's time to discuss it. This is one of minor differences which we can't use as proof.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 12:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC) | |||
:Do we have any other instance where its gender was mentioned, directly or indirectly, besides DP103 and the visual differences? [[User:Adil|<span style="color:#009900;">'''Adil'''</span>]] — [[User talk:Adil|<span style="color:#003399;">'''Talk page'''</span>]] 00:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC) | |||
::After assessing Staraptor's case, we have come to the conclusion that its gender should be changed to Unknown. The solitary evidence that supports it being male is DP103, where James uses the decoy Staravia and an artificial method/attract-like scent to lure Ash's, there is nothing outright addressed in both Japanese and English versions that confirms its gender besides said artificial method. I want to rectify [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Team_Rocket_Grunt&diff=3240141&oldid=3240134 a previous comment of mine], where I said the Staravia decoy was called 'princess staravia trap number 5', which was incorrect. The correct dialogue is 'Now a spritz of Staravia Attract Number Five!'. So, my apologies if it caused further confusion. The head bow on the decoy, with whom Ash's Staravia got infatuated, doesn't count as acceptable evidence as we have addressed this several times before that the gender stereotypes are not enough to verify genders in the anime. There was also a previous claim that it was confirmed male in the English dub (episode 4), but I checked and didn't find anything. | |||
::As for the visual differences, it's super ambiguous to be honest. Unless the anime actually wants to address size/minor shape differences (e.g. Goh's Raichu's tail, where they intentionally make an effort to point out the difference, as it plays a role in the plot), in general it can often be very inconsistent about such things. Especially in Staraptor's case, the size of the dots is definitely not enough to confirm its gender, because it is not immediately evident or distinct enough to judge the difference. Therefore, again, it has been decided that its gender will be changed to Unknown. If there is something else we have missed or overlooked, please let us know. [[User:Adil|<span style="color:#009900;">'''Adil'''</span>]] — [[User talk:Adil|<span style="color:#003399;">'''Talk page'''</span>]] 05:08, 15 September 2020 (UTC) | |||
==Gender== | |||
It looks like Ash's Staraptor is confirmed to be Male internationally because of his forehead's spot being visibly big (like in the games, and don't throw in the "games=/=anime" argument because his Staraptor clearly has the Male spot), and because his page already is peppered with male pronouns.<br>[[User:Gallade User|<span style="color:green">'''Gallade User'''</span>]] 03:24 4 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
:First, you were replying to a section that was over twelve years ago. Second, look at the most recent section prior to this one, the animators aren't consistent with how big the forehead spot should be as shown from the image there.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]] ([[User talk:Animaltamer7|talk]]) 05:25, 4 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
::The patch is drawn inconsistently, and it definitely imply female in the image above.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 10:24, 4 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Pink bow == | |||
Clearly I'm misunderstood here. I didn't write that wearing pink bow makes this Staravia female, but that it IMPLIES it's supposed to be female, also I didn't write it as a proof, but as a trivia.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 17:05, 3 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
:Doesn't matter. Just because it had a bow, doesn't mean it's meant to imply that it's female. Putting a bow on something does not mean it's suddenly of a specific gender.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 17:08, 3 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Of course it does, it's obvious. That's cultural implication, there is no other reason to do that. The show is made for children, so they are supposed to understand it.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 23:25, 7 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::People can come to their own conclusions, sure. It's obvious, sure. But it doesn't mean we're going to put it on the site. Cultural implications is not a good reason to add it, especially in this day and age.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 05:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::Why not? Because that just seems like a gatekeeping, filtering facts we don't like.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 14:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::Because the clothing doesn't determine ones gender? A pink bow doesn't automatically make it female.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 15:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::That's what I'm saying. It's not determined, it's implied, so it will only appear as trivia. Also, in the episode "EP124:Snubbull Snobbery" Brock says that pink bows on Snubbull make her a girl, so it's even stated for the children.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 19:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::::That's still different, in the sense that it was ''stated''. We can say that about Snubbull because we have something verbal to go off of. If it weren't stated, then it'd be speculation based on gender stereotypes, and that is not what we want.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 05:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC) | |||