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It's confirmed as Male (Dub-Only)--[[User:David aipom|<span style="color:blue">''デビッド Aipom ''</span>]] [[User talk:David aipom|<span style="color:green"><small>(Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 </small></span>]] 10:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | It's confirmed as Male (Dub-Only)--[[User:David aipom|<span style="color:blue">''デビッド Aipom ''</span>]] [[User talk:David aipom|<span style="color:green"><small>(Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 </small></span>]] 10:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
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The trivia point says the dub left it as gust until the first episode it apparently used Gust in (according to the move table). And the trivia point also states that even the Original Japanese version called it Gust instead of whirlwind? Can someone explain why to me please because it doesn't really make sense, especially if you follow the trivia point--[[User:Ditto51|<span style="color:#00FF00">Ditto51/Tom</span>]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|<span style="color:#FF0000">My</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Talk</span> <span style="color:#FFFF00">Page</span>]]) 09:08, 20 July 2014 (UTC) | The trivia point says the dub left it as gust until the first episode it apparently used Gust in (according to the move table). And the trivia point also states that even the Original Japanese version called it Gust instead of whirlwind? Can someone explain why to me please because it doesn't really make sense, especially if you follow the trivia point--[[User:Ditto51|<span style="color:#00FF00">Ditto51/Tom</span>]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|<span style="color:#FF0000">My</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Talk</span> <span style="color:#FFFF00">Page</span>]]) 09:08, 20 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
== Gender difference == | |||
[[File:Ash Squallville PokéRinger.png|250px|thumb|right|Forehead patch doesn't go beyond eyes, it's female?]] | |||
I've already edited it three times, it's time to discuss it. This is one of minor differences which we can't use as proof.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 12:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC) | |||
:Do we have any other instance where its gender was mentioned, directly or indirectly, besides DP103 and the visual differences? [[User:Adil|<span style="color:#009900;">'''Adil'''</span>]] — [[User talk:Adil|<span style="color:#003399;">'''Talk page'''</span>]] 00:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC) | |||
::After assessing Staraptor's case, we have come to the conclusion that its gender should be changed to Unknown. The solitary evidence that supports it being male is DP103, where James uses the decoy Staravia and an artificial method/attract-like scent to lure Ash's, there is nothing outright addressed in both Japanese and English versions that confirms its gender besides said artificial method. I want to rectify [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Team_Rocket_Grunt&diff=3240141&oldid=3240134 a previous comment of mine], where I said the Staravia decoy was called 'princess staravia trap number 5', which was incorrect. The correct dialogue is 'Now a spritz of Staravia Attract Number Five!'. So, my apologies if it caused further confusion. The head bow on the decoy, with whom Ash's Staravia got infatuated, doesn't count as acceptable evidence as we have addressed this several times before that the gender stereotypes are not enough to verify genders in the anime. There was also a previous claim that it was confirmed male in the English dub (episode 4), but I checked and didn't find anything. | |||
::As for the visual differences, it's super ambiguous to be honest. Unless the anime actually wants to address size/minor shape differences (e.g. Goh's Raichu's tail, where they intentionally make an effort to point out the difference, as it plays a role in the plot), in general it can often be very inconsistent about such things. Especially in Staraptor's case, the size of the dots is definitely not enough to confirm its gender, because it is not immediately evident or distinct enough to judge the difference. Therefore, again, it has been decided that its gender will be changed to Unknown. If there is something else we have missed or overlooked, please let us know. [[User:Adil|<span style="color:#009900;">'''Adil'''</span>]] — [[User talk:Adil|<span style="color:#003399;">'''Talk page'''</span>]] 05:08, 15 September 2020 (UTC) | |||
==Gender== | |||
It looks like Ash's Staraptor is confirmed to be Male internationally because of his forehead's spot being visibly big (like in the games, and don't throw in the "games=/=anime" argument because his Staraptor clearly has the Male spot), and because his page already is peppered with male pronouns.<br>[[User:Gallade User|<span style="color:green">'''Gallade User'''</span>]] 03:24 4 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
:First, you were replying to a section that was over twelve years ago. Second, look at the most recent section prior to this one, the animators aren't consistent with how big the forehead spot should be as shown from the image there.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]] ([[User talk:Animaltamer7|talk]]) 05:25, 4 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
::The patch is drawn inconsistently, and it definitely imply female in the image above.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 10:24, 4 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Pink bow == | |||
Clearly I'm misunderstood here. I didn't write that wearing pink bow makes this Staravia female, but that it IMPLIES it's supposed to be female, also I didn't write it as a proof, but as a trivia.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 17:05, 3 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
:Doesn't matter. Just because it had a bow, doesn't mean it's meant to imply that it's female. Putting a bow on something does not mean it's suddenly of a specific gender.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 17:08, 3 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Of course it does, it's obvious. That's cultural implication, there is no other reason to do that. The show is made for children, so they are supposed to understand it.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 23:25, 7 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::People can come to their own conclusions, sure. It's obvious, sure. But it doesn't mean we're going to put it on the site. Cultural implications is not a good reason to add it, especially in this day and age.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 05:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::Why not? Because that just seems like a gatekeeping, filtering facts we don't like.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 14:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::Because the clothing doesn't determine ones gender? A pink bow doesn't automatically make it female.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 15:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::That's what I'm saying. It's not determined, it's implied, so it will only appear as trivia. Also, in the episode "EP124:Snubbull Snobbery" Brock says that pink bows on Snubbull make her a girl, so it's even stated for the children.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 19:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::::That's still different, in the sense that it was ''stated''. We can say that about Snubbull because we have something verbal to go off of. If it weren't stated, then it'd be speculation based on gender stereotypes, and that is not what we want.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 05:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC) | |||