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 :I don't think Arceus forms count, but you do have a point. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:35, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 ::No, it doesn't count. We used to have this piece on a few different articles, but now it's only on the {{t|Flying}} page. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 13:26, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
+:::I see this is a few years old now, but I think that Arceus should be on this page in place of Tornadus.  If we're going to list some formes here like Heat and Mow Rotom for having unique type-combinations then instead of Tornadus being listed as still unique we should remove that and put in Arceus (flying) in the section of Pokémon with previously unique type-combinations.  Flying-type Arceus has been officially acknowledged to be a different forme for the Pokémon, and since we're counting those here I think it would be worth changing, to be more consistent.  [[User:MasterPeteDiddy|MasterPeteDiddy]] ([[User talk:MasterPeteDiddy|talk]]) 18:44, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
+::::Arceus's '''forms''' are not '''formes''', in that it does not have any drastic differences in its appearance, it's just a palette swap. Arceus, by default, is a normal type. Mow and Heat Rotom counts because they are those types by default without the help of an item.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F1912B">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F6B775">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#5599CA">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#90BDDC">ire</span>]] 03:37, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
+:::::Thank you for your reply!  But ok first of all as far as semantics are concerned I could also argue that Rotom's '''forms''' aren't usually officially labeled as '''formes''' either so whatever-the two stylizations of the same word are close enough to meaning the same thing and that's got nothing to do with anything.  As far as Arceus's '''forms''' are concerned, I don't think how drastically its appearance does or doesn't alter really changes the fact that it changes its form and its type changes too.  Rotom is Ghost- and Electric-type by default, and also needs an item to help change that type-even if Rotom's item is one that you find on the overworld.  But let's say that you want to argue that it's different because it's a held item?  Areceus STILL wouldn't be the first Pokémon on this page with that distinction.  Other Pokémon here are treated the same whether they need an item to change or not.  Giratina and Tornadus need items and yet are listed with both formes just like completely different cases like Deerling or Frillish.  (It would be silly to list any of those alone.)  But also every single Mega Evolved Pokémon listed here needs a held item in order to work.  I do still feel as though the Flying-type Arceus really should count as the first pure Flying Pokémon, according to the same rules that the rest of this page follows, and not some made-up poppycock that it doesn't look different enough with just some colors changing.  Any other opinions on this?[[User:MasterPeteDiddy|MasterPeteDiddy]] ([[User talk:MasterPeteDiddy|talk]]) 04:43, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
+::::::The appearance mattering is because it's what Ken Sugimori (or another designer, don't remember, it was a while ago) said that about Arceus not being a different form in a tweet - and he also mentioned that Arceus is by default a Normal type, official word trumps all. As is form vs formes. Giratina and Tornadus's formes and Pokémon with Mega Evolutions that are repeated are listed because they don't change type, so both are shown. --[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F1912B">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F6B775">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#5599CA">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#90BDDC">ire</span>]] 05:08, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
+::::::Edit: Yep, Sugimori. [https://twitter.com/SUPER_32X/status/37513394747740160 Tweet in question]. He didn't mention Arceus's type, so my bad. But still, word of god says that Arceus does not have formes.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F1912B">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F6B775">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#5599CA">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#90BDDC">ire</span>]] 05:14, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
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 Can we add new unique type combos to table now or do we have to wait until the games' release? Because I'm anxious to put Alolan Rattata and Alolan Raticate to the page. --<span class="explain" title="^_^">AwesomeDJPokemon</span> 16:26, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 :They are already in the page's code, but hidden. For new generations, we never add the newly revealed Pokemon until they're all out and we know the whole Pokedex. That's because we don't know whether Sun/Moon is also going to introduce another Normal/Dark Pokemon, which would make Alolan Rattata/Raticate's type combination not unique after all. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:41, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
+==Alolan Raichu==
+I believe that Alolan Raichu has a unique type combination yet it is not listed, I checked and the only other Pokémon with the same type combination is the Pokestar Studios Opponent UFO 02, and I feel like it is unfair that Alolan Raichu is not included in the list, as the UFO 02 did not appear in Pokémon Sun and Moon, so Alolan Raichu does have a unique type combination, shouldn't it get added? [[User:Peripuff|Peripuff]] ([[User talk:Peripuff|talk]]) 02:55, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
+==Registeel==
+Didn't Registeel have a unique type combination in gen III? --[[User:Sivupäärynä|Sivupäärynä]] ([[User talk:Sivupäärynä|talk]]) 16:01, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
+:Mawile was pure Steel-type then. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 16:08, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
+==UFO 2==
+Despite the fact it didn't exist in Gen 6, should it be mentioned that UFO 2 had a unique type combo until gen 7 where Alolan Raichu exists? Thanks [[User:The IceCream|The IceCream]] ([[User talk:The IceCream|talk]]) 22:16, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
+== Trivia opinions ==
+There's some trivia here saying "Dragalge did not cease being unique in its Poison/Dragon combination until the addition of Naganadel midway through Generation VII." Although this is the case, Numel and Camerupt didn't cease being unique in their Fire/ground combination until the addition of Groudon's Primal form midway through Generation VI. I'm torn between adding that, taking the point out as it's not so unique, or leaving as is. What's the best option? [[User:Masser|Masser]] ([[User talk:Masser|talk]]) 15:58, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
+:I've added the trivia. I think it's fine, it's not really a "unique" trivia, it's just pointing out a fact.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:58, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
+::I also noticed the same thing with Meloetta Pirouette forme being Normal/Fighting and Mega Lopunny with the same typing introduced late Generation VI. I'm not sure if any more have it, Numel/Camerupt/Primal Groudon, and Meloetta/Mega Lopunny all came to mind when I read the Dragalge/Naganadel trivia and forgot to include Meloetta in my example [[User:Masser|Masser]] ([[User talk:Masser|talk]]) 14:06, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
+:::Honestly, this whole thing is probably better served as a note on the "formerly unique" chart rather than in trivia. [[User:Bwburke94|bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 05:50, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
+== Is there a page on type pairs with no assigned Pokémon? ==
+(Sorry if this is out of place, I don't know where it should go) Is there a page listing pairs like Fire/Ice with no matching Pokémon? If not, may I create it? [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 22:17, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
+:You can find such a list by sorting [[List of type combinations by abundance#All type combinations and their abundance|this table]] on the "List of type combinations by abundance" page. I've also added a link to that page from this page so it'll be easier to find for others in the future. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:57, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
+::There used to be such a page at {{redlink|User talk:ElectAbuzzzz/Sandbox}}, but the user whose userspace it was in has retired and the page has been deleted. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
+== Galar update ==
+Since the sprites and all are still being in process of G8 update, here is relevant information. Gone is Ice/Psychic (Galarian Mr. Mime and the evo), pure Flying (regional borb), Fire/Rock (Rolycoly evos), Bug/Fire (Sizzlipede and the evo), Electric/Ice (Arctozolt) and Dragon/Ghost (regional pseudo). We gain Fire/Ice (Zen Mode Galar Darmanitan), Bug/Psychic (regional bug evos), Bug/Ice (Frosmoth and the pre-evo), Electric/Poison (Toxel and the evo) and Dark/Fairy (Impidimp line). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 00:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
+== Removed Pokémon ==
+Should we note the Pokémon that have a unique type combination but are not available in the current generation (such as Mega Altaria), the Pokémon that previously had a unique type combination that are the only currently available Pokémon with said type combination, and the type combinations that are now completely unavailable (such as ice-fighting) somewhere, if not in a table, as a note or in the trivia section? [[User:UltraSolgaleo|UltraSolgaleo]] ([[User talk:UltraSolgaleo|talk]]) 02:11, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
+:Just because a Pokemon is not in the games, doesn't mean it no longer has a unique type combination. It still has a unique type combination. And there's no need to point out who's not in the current games as that is not the point of the article.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#00A1E9">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#59C2F1">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#BF004F">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D5598C">ire</span>]] 07:11, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
+== I think the "formerly unique" table is broken ==
+The column for Gen VIII is completely empty, even though I checked the code and everything seems to be in order. [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 14:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
+:Also for some reason the first table's header texts are all off center? Does anyone know what's up with that? [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 14:19, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
+::I was able to get the Gen VIII column to appear, but it's currently just a green stripe and I can't figure out how to fix it. [[User:TurkeyCookTime|TurkeyCookTime]] ([[User talk:TurkeyCookTime|talk]]) 21:42, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
+:::yes that's literally how it looked too when i first tried fixing it all the way back in February earlier. [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 23:13, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
+::::It's because the template hasn't been updated to include a Gen VIII column.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 05:34, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
+== what about Gen IX? ==
+Hello, The 1st Gen 9 game is out and there is the new unique type combination(Grass/Fire)
+[[User:WASPED 302168|WASPED 302168]] ([[User talk:WASPED 302168|talk]]) 12:29, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
+:Obviously, this page hasn't been updated yet. (It's open for anyone to edit, though, so feel free to help out.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
+== Does it still make sense to consider uniqueness against every form of every Pokémon? ==
+Since moving to the Switch, every game has only included a subset of the existing Pokémon and forms. As a result, I don't think it necessarily makes sense to categorize Pokémon with unique type combinations solely in terms of "unique out of every form of every Pokémon that exist". I think sections should be added to track Pokémon that have unique type combinations in a particular game.
+For example, the only two Ground/Flying types in existence are the Gligar line and Landorus. Gligar isn't in SwSh, but Landorus is, meaning that of all Pokémon that can be used in SwSh, Landorus's type combination is unique (and the Gligar line's type combination is unique in BDSP). Similarly, Meltan's type combination is unique in LGPE, Kleavor's type combination is unique in LA, and Garchomp's type combination is unique in SV.
+To clarify, no, I'm not suggesting that Pokémon whose type combination actually is unique compared to every form of every Pokémon shouldn't be the most prominent focus of this page, nor am I suggesting that unique type combinations should be considered on a per-regional dex basis, merely on a per-game basis.
+Does anyone else have opinions one way or another on broadening the definition of "unique type combination" in this way?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] ([[User talk:Goukazaru|talk]]) 00:42, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
+:Yeah, no. Just because a Pokemon is not in a certain game, doesn't mean that Pokemon no longer exists. And trying to keep track of stuff like that is a pain and makes things more complicated than it should be. Signature moves are already affected by this complexity, we don't need to pile on more unnecessary work.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#F34134">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F7837B">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#8334B7">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#AE7BD0">ire</span>]] 04:56, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
+::If that's the decision, fair enough, but I fundamentally disagree that saying "Landorus is the only Ground/Flying type in SwSh" is somehow trying to pretend that Gligar never existed.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] ([[User talk:Goukazaru|talk]]) 18:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)