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== Nicknames for species? == | == Nicknames for species? == | ||
I think Shedinjask may be on the right track as far as that goes... this page needs to be cleaned up anyway... lemme get a list of the nicknames and I'll see, eh? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span> | I think Shedinjask may be on the right track as far as that goes... this page needs to be cleaned up anyway... lemme get a list of the nicknames and I'll see, eh? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 23:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
== TrickBracer? == | == TrickBracer? == | ||
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== a question == | == a question == | ||
can someone please explain this whole "metagame" thing to me? There seems not to be a | can someone please explain this whole "metagame" thing to me? There seems not to be a Metagame article. [[:User:Origamiguy|<span class="explain" title="<nowiki>OrigamiGuy</nowiki>"><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">折り紙</FONT><FONT COLOR="#808080">ガイ</FONT></span>]] 12:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
Also, it would be nice if we had a list of OU UU and NU pokemon. [[User:Noname|Noname]] | Also, it would be nice if we had a list of OU UU and NU pokemon. [[User:Noname|Noname]] | ||
:I agree. I'd like to know what Pokémon are OU, UU, and NU. I swear i saw an article on there before, but i can't remember which one. I really have no idea what Pokémon are UU, NU, and OU, But it'd be nice too see if any of the Pokémon in my main party are Overused or Underused. I know that the Final-forms of the Starters are probably overused...a lot xD [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]] 17:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC) | :I agree. I'd like to know what Pokémon are OU, UU, and NU. I swear i saw an article on there before, but i can't remember which one. I really have no idea what Pokémon are UU, NU, and OU, But it'd be nice too see if any of the Pokémon in my main party are Overused or Underused. I know that the Final-forms of the Starters are probably overused...a lot xD [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]] 17:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
::[[ | ::[[Tiers|List of tiers]]. [[User:Tina|<span style="color:#E75480;">Tina</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#E75480;">☆</span>]][[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#E75480;">♫</span>]]</sup> 17:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Oh. Thank you very much! :D [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]] 18:05, 11 May 2008 (UTC) | :::Oh. Thank you very much! :D [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]] 18:05, 11 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
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::::Yes, but nobody ever said Salamence was uber. --[[user:Baby G|<span style="color:#FF4500;">Baby G]]</span> <small>([[user talk:Baby G|<span style="color:#D1E231;">talk to me]]</span>)</small> <small>([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|<span style="color:#B87333;">see my edits]]</span>)</small> 15:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC) | ::::Yes, but nobody ever said Salamence was uber. --[[user:Baby G|<span style="color:#FF4500;">Baby G]]</span> <small>([[user talk:Baby G|<span style="color:#D1E231;">talk to me]]</span>)</small> <small>([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|<span style="color:#B87333;">see my edits]]</span>)</small> 15:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::::Just because it isn't on that list, doesn't mean that it isn't able to be compared to one. --[[User:PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''Psychic'''</sup>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#000000;">'''Rider'''</sub>]]''<small>''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''☮'''</sup>]]''</small> 15:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC) | :::::Just because it isn't on that list, doesn't mean that it isn't able to be compared to one. --[[User:PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''Psychic'''</sup>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#000000;">'''Rider'''</sub>]]''<small>''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''☮'''</sup>]]''</small> 15:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::::Smogon is a fan-site (although a very influential one admittedly), one classification can't be relied upon. The pseudo-legendaries may be classified as uber collectively, but to say one is powerful than the others is inaccurate, particularly as they appear to be designed to be equal. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 22:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::::::This is why I'm against this tier garbage... '''[[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cubone</font>]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Green">King</font>]]''' ([[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Tan">Planet Cubone</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green">Bone Club</font>]]) 22:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Poké Nicknames? == | == Poké Nicknames? == | ||
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::::Very Frequently. People dont call is Subsitute Focus Punch Tyranitar, they call it Tyraniboah.[[User:DCM|<font color="#FF1111">DCM</font>]]<sub>[[User talk:DCM|((<font color="#DAA520">曲奇饼妖怪</font>]]</sub><sub>[[Special:Contributions/DCM|<font color="#C0C0C0">Spy on My Edits</font>))]]</sub> 11:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | ::::Very Frequently. People dont call is Subsitute Focus Punch Tyranitar, they call it Tyraniboah.[[User:DCM|<font color="#FF1111">DCM</font>]]<sub>[[User talk:DCM|((<font color="#DAA520">曲奇饼妖怪</font>]]</sub><sub>[[Special:Contributions/DCM|<font color="#C0C0C0">Spy on My Edits</font>))]]</sub> 11:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::Trom means the shortening of Pokémon names, like Tyrani for Tyranitar. Tyraniboah is already in the page.--☆'''[[User:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#A2958D">Ke</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<span style="color:#B8B8D0">vz</span>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#705898">o8</span>]]''' 11:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | :::::Trom means the shortening of Pokémon names, like Tyrani for Tyranitar. Tyraniboah is already in the page.--☆'''[[User:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#A2958D">Ke</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<span style="color:#B8B8D0">vz</span>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#705898">o8</span>]]''' 11:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::: "Twas an example". | |||
:::::::I guess its just based off of syllables. TYraniBOAH.[[User:DCM|<font color="#FF1111">DCM</font>]]<sub>[[User talk:DCM|((<font color="#DAA520">曲奇饼妖怪</font>]]</sub><sub>[[Special:Contributions/DCM|<font color="#C0C0C0">Spy on My Edits</font>))]]</sub> 01:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Reshuffling == | |||
Here's a brainwave I just had... should we organise the terms into sections, like "Move Combinations", "Pokémon Movesets", etc? We could put Tiers under a heading, and put UU, OU, NU, etc, as sub-headings? --[[User:Oz|Oz]] 17:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Go for it. It would make it more structured. —'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 03:49, 29 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Trick Room == | |||
Well, if Trick Room Team is gonna redirect to here, we might as well put in something about Pokémon that exist to set up Trick Room. Only thing is, I don't have the slightest idea what the proper terminology for it would be. If anyone DOES know, might it possibly be added to the article? <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 01:36, 4 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Uber Garchomp == | |||
What about him makes so uber? He has smexy stats, but is easily killed by a good ice move. FFS, Blizzard Suicune can kill him. Ice Beam Frosslass can kill him. Even Shard Donphan raxxes him. {{unsigned|Kobra}} | |||
:OK, couple things. One, this subject has been covered ad nauseum all over this very talk page. Two, new topics go at the very bottom of the talk page. Three, you gotta sign your talk page comments. And four, if you really do want to know why Garchomp is Uber, I suggest you ask the good people at Smogon.com. Garchomp's been extensively tested and proven to be uber. Besides, lots of people run Garchomp with Yache Berries, which cuts supereffective Ice damage. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 15:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
== New Section == | |||
Hey, would it be possible to do articles similar to those on Smogon? That way, Bulbapedia users can post their own strategic movesets. We could also create our own tiers, as I have designed testing software for Pokémon. I would love to see strategy and tier pages on Bulbapedia, as it is a far better site than Smogon and a little better than Serebii. --[[User:Sceptile Maniac|Sceptile Maniac]] 11:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
:The forums is a better place for this kind of thing. The thing about strategies is that they are subjective, and even in the Appendix namespace, the arguments they would cause would be too much. Smogon is all moderated and not freely editable like Bulbapedia. Still, Bulbapedia and Smogon are two very different sites, and saying that one is outright better than the other isn't really that true. Smogon is great for competitive help, while Bulbapedia is great for information. Also, regarding tiers, [[User:Ztobor/Bulbagarden Tier System|we actually already have a draft one]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:50, 15 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
== npc-usage == | |||
Could we add examples of npc's using one of these stratigies, most notable would be the pwt, as there are a lot of notable 'lead Pokémon' and 'sweepers' and 'tanks' and 'walls' and many other tricks used by the gym leaders and champions? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:33, 21 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
:How about Misty's Choice Scarf-Thunderbolt-Ice Beam-Starmie? I'll add more examples on the talk page before deciding. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:35, 21 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Morty’s Wide Lens-Focus Blast-Gengar, Norman’s Giga Impact-Slaking and Fantina’s Curse-Will-O-Wisp-Pain Split-Shadow Sneak-Apicot Berry-Dusknoir. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::I think it seems like a good idea. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 01:16, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
Yeah but how to add? I was thinking about a 'hide and show' button and a link to the trainer. Let's start with a very specific one: the 'Scarfchomp', I got Giovanni in the world leaders or type specialist tournament as the only example. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 16:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::Just add a new paragraph in the relevant section. Example: | |||
:[[Giovanni]] has a Garchomp with a Choice Scarf in his [[Pokémon World Tournament]] [[Type Expert Tournament]] and [[World Leaders Tournament]] teams. | |||
:::::Truant-Giga Impact and some of the others don't have names, so for now they wouldn't go on the page (although they could be added). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 19:13, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::::By the way, should we add extra information about the specific Pokémon to mention in-game variations of the mentioned role, or just indicate the Pokémon has the properties for it's role: | |||
:'[[Misty]] has a {{p|Starmie}} which knows Thunderbolt and Ice beam '''with a Choice Scarf''' in her [[Pokémon World Tournament]] [[Type Expert Tournament]] and [[World Leaders Tournament]] team as her lead Pokémon.' or '[[Misty]] has a {{p|Starmie}} which knows Thunderbolt and Ice beam in her [[Pokémon World Tournament]] [[Type Expert Tournament]] and [[World Leaders Tournament]] team as her lead Pokémon.'. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I'd go with the former. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 02:58, 23 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::::::What,what? wait... Where have all the examples gone? I just haven't been on Bulbapedia for a while now, but now that I went to take a look at this page, all of the npc-usage-examples have been gone! I went through the history of the page, but it is difficult, so I couldn't find anything. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:50, 21 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Wondertomb + Freeze Shock == | |||
So I was battling Black Kyurem for the first time, and I sent out my Wondertomb. Kyurem used Freeze Shock. It hit and paralyzed Wondertomb. Should I add to the article that Freeze Shock can hit a Wondertomb? [[User:Pokegen master|Pokegen master]] ([[User talk:Pokegen master|talk]]) 02:04, 27 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Black Kyurem has {{a|Teravolt}}, which negates Wonder Guard. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:50, 27 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Untouched == | |||
Untouched redirects here, and there is nothing on it in the entire article... <br> | |||
I would add it myself but I'm not sure what section to put it under. -[[User:IVsaur|<span style="color:lightbrown">EVs</span>]]<small>[[User_Talk:IVsaur|<span style="color:black">And</span>]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/IVsaur|<span style="color:green">IVsaurs</span>]] 15:34, 20 February 2013 (UTC) | |||
:The metagame typically refers to competitive battling, so it ended up being removed. If we do consider the metagame to be solely competitive battling, then it wouldn't go here, but I don't know where else to put it. Technically it would be possible to consider "collecting" a metagame, so I suppose we could make separate sections for competitive battling and Pokémon collection (which could include other terminology like "Living Pokédex"). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:02, 20 February 2013 (UTC) | |||
== GrouSolar == | |||
Could we mention a Groudon that knows SolarBeam which goes in one hit every time due to Drought? | |||
--[[User:PalkiaMaster1|PalkiaMaster (talk) (contributions)]] ([[User talk:PalkiaMaster1|talk]]) 02:46, 22 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:No, because {{p|Groudon}} is banned from the metagame. Wondertomb is borderline. Plus, never in my life have I heard anyone other than you use "GrouSolar." [[User:C$|C$]] ([[User talk:C$|talk]]) 17:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
But Mega Charizard Y and Ninetales are not... And Grousolar was a term I came up with at the time and it sounds incredibly stupid --PalkiaMaster- 0100100100100000010000010100110100100000010001110100111101000100 21:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Wondereye/Wondertomb == | |||
Wouldn't they be listed in [[fan terminology]] since there's no way anyone can sneak them into the metagame (as the game prevents ridiculously hacked Pokémon from going into the metagame)? [[User:C$|C$]] ([[User talk:C$|talk]]) 02:05, 10 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Sturdinja? == | |||
(a.k.a. {{a|Sturdy}} + {{p|Shedinja}}) | |||
Just stumbled across this term the other night. Doesn't sound like it's common, but it was conceived in Gen V and consists of: | |||
# In a Double or Triple Battle, replace {{p|Shedinja}}'s {{a|Wonder Guard}} with an other Ability (e.g. {{m|Simple Beam}} or {{m|Entrainment}}) | |||
# Quickly {{m|Skill Swap}} {{a|Sturdy}} onto Shedinja. (in Gen VI, {{p|Carbink}} can have both Sturdy and Skill Swap.) | |||
Shedinja is now immune to ''all'' direct damage, super effective or not, because Sturdy enables it to survive any attack with 1 HP if it's at full HP, and for Shedinja 1 HP '''is''' full HP so the ability always activates (even during [[multi-strike move]]s). Furthermore, if you paralyze Shedinja, it also becomes immune to Poison/Burn damage. | |||
The given counterstrategies: | |||
* Virtually impossible to set up in single/rotation battles | |||
* KO Shedinja before it can be fully set up (2-3 turns in Doubles; 1-2 in Triples) | |||
* Indirect damage (e.g. {{m|Sandstorm}}/{{m|Hail}}, {{a|Rough Skin}}/Rocky Helmet, {{tt|poison/burn|assuming Shedinja hasn't already been Paralyzed}}) | |||
* Remove Sturdy ({{m|Gastro Acid}}/{{a|Mold Breaker}}, {{m|Skill Swap}}/etc. {{m|Roar}}/Red Card/{{tt|etc|Assuming Shedinja actually can be switched out for another Pokemon}}) | |||
--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 19:25, 30 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
* I've heard of it as the "Invincible Shedinja trick". It might be notable, and it seems more notable than some of the other terms here. [[User:Nate the Great|Nate the Great]] ([[User talk:Nate the Great|talk]]) 23:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Hail team? == | |||
Why "Hail team" is a subsection instead of a subtitle? Shouldn't we have a subsection called "Weather teams" or something similar instead like "Team Archetypes by Strategy" to include Trick Room Teams etc.? [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 10:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Skarmbliss edit == | |||
Skarmbliss is not common in doubles, as explained [http://pokemondb.net/pokebase/247023/why-do-people-use-defensive-synergy-in-doubles here]. | |||
[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:23, 19 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Black Kyurem has the ability Dragon Dance? == | |||
Someone said that Dragon Dance is an Ability in section Kyu-B. Was that intended? {{unsigned|Iluvchess}} | |||
:Such obvious mistakes should obviously be fixed (which I've just done here). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 23:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC) | |||