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== Nicknames for species? == | == Nicknames for species? == | ||
I think Shedinjask may be on the right track as far as that goes... this page needs to be cleaned up anyway... lemme get a list of the nicknames and I'll see, eh? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span> | I think Shedinjask may be on the right track as far as that goes... this page needs to be cleaned up anyway... lemme get a list of the nicknames and I'll see, eh? <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 23:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
== TrickBracer? == | == TrickBracer? == | ||
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Also, it would be nice if we had a list of OU UU and NU pokemon. [[User:Noname|Noname]] | Also, it would be nice if we had a list of OU UU and NU pokemon. [[User:Noname|Noname]] | ||
:I agree. I'd like to know what Pokémon are OU, UU, and NU. I swear i saw an article on there before, but i can't remember which one. I really have no idea what Pokémon are UU, NU, and OU, But it'd be nice too see if any of the Pokémon in my main party are Overused or Underused. I know that the Final-forms of the Starters are probably overused...a lot xD [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]] 17:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC) | :I agree. I'd like to know what Pokémon are OU, UU, and NU. I swear i saw an article on there before, but i can't remember which one. I really have no idea what Pokémon are UU, NU, and OU, But it'd be nice too see if any of the Pokémon in my main party are Overused or Underused. I know that the Final-forms of the Starters are probably overused...a lot xD [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]] 17:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
::[[ | ::[[Tiers|List of tiers]]. [[User:Tina|<span style="color:#E75480;">Tina</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#E75480;">☆</span>]][[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#E75480;">♫</span>]]</sup> 17:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Oh. Thank you very much! :D [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]] 18:05, 11 May 2008 (UTC) | :::Oh. Thank you very much! :D [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]] 18:05, 11 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Could we add examples of npc's using one of these stratigies, most notable would be the pwt, as there are a lot of notable 'lead Pokémon' and 'sweepers' and 'tanks' and 'walls' and many other tricks used by the gym leaders and champions? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:33, 21 November 2012 (UTC) | Could we add examples of npc's using one of these stratigies, most notable would be the pwt, as there are a lot of notable 'lead Pokémon' and 'sweepers' and 'tanks' and 'walls' and many other tricks used by the gym leaders and champions? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:33, 21 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
:How about Misty's Choice Scarf-Thunderbolt-Ice Beam-Starmie? I'll add more examples on the talk page before deciding. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:35, 21 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Morty’s Wide Lens-Focus Blast-Gengar, Norman’s Giga Impact-Slaking and Fantina’s Curse-Will-O-Wisp-Pain Split-Shadow Sneak-Apicot Berry-Dusknoir. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::I think it seems like a good idea. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 01:16, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
Yeah but how to add? I was thinking about a 'hide and show' button and a link to the trainer. Let's start with a very specific one: the 'Scarfchomp', I got Giovanni in the world leaders or type specialist tournament as the only example. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 16:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::Just add a new paragraph in the relevant section. Example: | |||
:[[Giovanni]] has a Garchomp with a Choice Scarf in his [[Pokémon World Tournament]] [[Type Expert Tournament]] and [[World Leaders Tournament]] teams. | |||
:::::Truant-Giga Impact and some of the others don't have names, so for now they wouldn't go on the page (although they could be added). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 19:13, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::::By the way, should we add extra information about the specific Pokémon to mention in-game variations of the mentioned role, or just indicate the Pokémon has the properties for it's role: | |||
:'[[Misty]] has a {{p|Starmie}} which knows Thunderbolt and Ice beam '''with a Choice Scarf''' in her [[Pokémon World Tournament]] [[Type Expert Tournament]] and [[World Leaders Tournament]] team as her lead Pokémon.' or '[[Misty]] has a {{p|Starmie}} which knows Thunderbolt and Ice beam in her [[Pokémon World Tournament]] [[Type Expert Tournament]] and [[World Leaders Tournament]] team as her lead Pokémon.'. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I'd go with the former. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 02:58, 23 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::::::What,what? wait... Where have all the examples gone? I just haven't been on Bulbapedia for a while now, but now that I went to take a look at this page, all of the npc-usage-examples have been gone! I went through the history of the page, but it is difficult, so I couldn't find anything. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:50, 21 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Wondertomb + Freeze Shock == | |||
So I was battling Black Kyurem for the first time, and I sent out my Wondertomb. Kyurem used Freeze Shock. It hit and paralyzed Wondertomb. Should I add to the article that Freeze Shock can hit a Wondertomb? [[User:Pokegen master|Pokegen master]] ([[User talk:Pokegen master|talk]]) 02:04, 27 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Black Kyurem has {{a|Teravolt}}, which negates Wonder Guard. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:50, 27 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Untouched == | |||
Untouched redirects here, and there is nothing on it in the entire article... <br> | |||
I would add it myself but I'm not sure what section to put it under. -[[User:IVsaur|<span style="color:lightbrown">EVs</span>]]<small>[[User_Talk:IVsaur|<span style="color:black">And</span>]]</small>[[Special:Contributions/IVsaur|<span style="color:green">IVsaurs</span>]] 15:34, 20 February 2013 (UTC) | |||
:The metagame typically refers to competitive battling, so it ended up being removed. If we do consider the metagame to be solely competitive battling, then it wouldn't go here, but I don't know where else to put it. Technically it would be possible to consider "collecting" a metagame, so I suppose we could make separate sections for competitive battling and Pokémon collection (which could include other terminology like "Living Pokédex"). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:02, 20 February 2013 (UTC) | |||
== GrouSolar == | |||
Could we mention a Groudon that knows SolarBeam which goes in one hit every time due to Drought? | |||
--[[User:PalkiaMaster1|PalkiaMaster (talk) (contributions)]] ([[User talk:PalkiaMaster1|talk]]) 02:46, 22 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:No, because {{p|Groudon}} is banned from the metagame. Wondertomb is borderline. Plus, never in my life have I heard anyone other than you use "GrouSolar." [[User:C$|C$]] ([[User talk:C$|talk]]) 17:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
But Mega Charizard Y and Ninetales are not... And Grousolar was a term I came up with at the time and it sounds incredibly stupid --PalkiaMaster- 0100100100100000010000010100110100100000010001110100111101000100 21:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Wondereye/Wondertomb == | |||
Wouldn't they be listed in [[fan terminology]] since there's no way anyone can sneak them into the metagame (as the game prevents ridiculously hacked Pokémon from going into the metagame)? [[User:C$|C$]] ([[User talk:C$|talk]]) 02:05, 10 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Sturdinja? == | |||
(a.k.a. {{a|Sturdy}} + {{p|Shedinja}}) | |||
Just stumbled across this term the other night. Doesn't sound like it's common, but it was conceived in Gen V and consists of: | |||
# In a Double or Triple Battle, replace {{p|Shedinja}}'s {{a|Wonder Guard}} with an other Ability (e.g. {{m|Simple Beam}} or {{m|Entrainment}}) | |||
# Quickly {{m|Skill Swap}} {{a|Sturdy}} onto Shedinja. (in Gen VI, {{p|Carbink}} can have both Sturdy and Skill Swap.) | |||
Shedinja is now immune to ''all'' direct damage, super effective or not, because Sturdy enables it to survive any attack with 1 HP if it's at full HP, and for Shedinja 1 HP '''is''' full HP so the ability always activates (even during [[multi-strike move]]s). Furthermore, if you paralyze Shedinja, it also becomes immune to Poison/Burn damage. | |||
The given counterstrategies: | |||
* Virtually impossible to set up in single/rotation battles | |||
* KO Shedinja before it can be fully set up (2-3 turns in Doubles; 1-2 in Triples) | |||
* Indirect damage (e.g. {{m|Sandstorm}}/{{m|Hail}}, {{a|Rough Skin}}/Rocky Helmet, {{tt|poison/burn|assuming Shedinja hasn't already been Paralyzed}}) | |||
* Remove Sturdy ({{m|Gastro Acid}}/{{a|Mold Breaker}}, {{m|Skill Swap}}/etc. {{m|Roar}}/Red Card/{{tt|etc|Assuming Shedinja actually can be switched out for another Pokemon}}) | |||
--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 19:25, 30 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
* I've heard of it as the "Invincible Shedinja trick". It might be notable, and it seems more notable than some of the other terms here. [[User:Nate the Great|Nate the Great]] ([[User talk:Nate the Great|talk]]) 23:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Hail team? == | |||
Why "Hail team" is a subsection instead of a subtitle? Shouldn't we have a subsection called "Weather teams" or something similar instead like "Team Archetypes by Strategy" to include Trick Room Teams etc.? [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 10:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Skarmbliss edit == | |||
Skarmbliss is not common in doubles, as explained [http://pokemondb.net/pokebase/247023/why-do-people-use-defensive-synergy-in-doubles here]. | |||
[[User:Sumwun|Sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:23, 19 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Black Kyurem has the ability Dragon Dance? == | |||
Someone said that Dragon Dance is an Ability in section Kyu-B. Was that intended? {{unsigned|Iluvchess}} | |||
:Such obvious mistakes should obviously be fixed (which I've just done here). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 23:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC) | |||