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 i just used Helping Hand in a double battle while the target pokemon was asleep and it woke up before receiving the damage boost. i did no t use a priority move before you ask. is this intended or what?--<b>[[User talk:Relicant|<span style="color:#EBEBEB;">The</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|<span style="color:#F08030;">Truth</span>]]</b> aka Relicant 18:22, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 :Sounds like a coincidence, unless you think you can replicate it. [[User:Schiffy|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Schiffy (瀬藤健二)</span>]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) <span style="cursor:help;" title="This is when my words were heard">20:27, 3/19/2014 (UTC)</span>
+== Targeting ==
+In Gen III, it [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=270.html apparently] targets the user ("self"). I guess it makes no difference whatsoever (it still boost the ally's moves), so I chose to just let it slide for convenience/clarity. If anyone wants to have it changed, they should not only say it here, but also remove it for Substitute in Gen III (the main reason why I let it slide), and [[list of modified moves]]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:37, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
+:Since Pressure affects allies in Gen III and IV, this might actually have some relevance. I would need to confirm that though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:38, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
+::[https://github.com/pret/pokeemerald/blob/bcef4e7d1c20bad3d4631c5a8314a8de8da80e49/include/data/battle_moves.h#L2976 Confirmation (for the targeting)]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:18, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
+== Base Power or Damage Output? ==
+Anyone know if the move increases the actual base power or just the final damage output. For example, if one helping hands an ariel ace used by a technician pokemon, does it still receive the boost from technician or does the 50% boost increase the Base power to 90, thus negating the boost?  [[User:BobBot321|BobBot321]] ([[User talk:BobBot321|talk]]) 20:05, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
+:I'm not really sure, maybe you could test!? If I understand [https://veekun.com/dex/abilities/technician veekun] correctly, they say Helping Hand's power boost applies before Technician is checked (as does {{m|Defense Curl}}'s boost for {{m|Rollout}}/{{m|Ice Ball}}). {{de|Techniker|The German PokéWiki}} agrees, and explicitly say that this was different prior to Generation V; veekun seems to say the same. Based on [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_complete_damage_formula this Smogon guide], however, I believe in Generation V, Helping Hand's boost is in fact not considered for Technician (but Defense Curl is). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:40, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
+== Multiple Helping Hands stacking ==
+Per {{u|SadisticMystic}} (or, so I presume) in [https://pokemondb.net/pokebase/33018/can-you-stack-helping-hand here], in ''some'' Generations (which sounds like probably GenVII or VIII), tests show that Helping Hand stacks. However, according to [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_complete_damage_formula this smogon guide], I believe it's unlikely to also be the case in Generation V or their Triple Battles (though I haven't tested). So, in which generations is it actually possible to stack Helping Hands, and in which is it not? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:03, 20 January 2020 (UTC)