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:UB already have ten do not include Cosmog line and Necrozma. They (UB) can have their own independent classification. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 15:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
:UB already have ten do not include Cosmog line and Necrozma. They (UB) can have their own independent classification. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 15:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, but what does that mean? --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#287a43">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#e85545">onkey</span>]] 23:24, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, but what does that mean? --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#287a43">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#e85545">onkey</span>]] 23:24, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
::Okay, I think I understand. I think you're saying something along the lines of "there are already ten UBs, we don't need anymore".
:::Okay, I think I understand. I think you're saying something along the lines of "there are already ten UBs, we don't need anymore".


::The thing is: it's not up to us to decide if a Pokemon is an Ultra Beast or not. Gamefreak can really do whatever we want, and we don't have to like it, but we do have to accept it as fact. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#287a43">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#e85545">onkey</span>]] 01:10, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
:::The thing is: it's not up to us to decide if a Pokemon is an Ultra Beast or not. Gamefreak can really do whatever we want, and we don't have to like it, but we do have to accept it as fact. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#287a43">Celad</span>]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#e85545">onkey</span>]] 01:10, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


::In fact I mean that they are already enough to be as an independent classification (UB), and not necessarily affiliated with legendary Pokemon. (This not include Cosmog line and Necrozma.) XD [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 12:51, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
::::In fact I mean that they are already enough to be as an independent classification (UB), and not necessarily affiliated with legendary Pokemon. (This not include Cosmog line and Necrozma.) XD [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 12:51, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


::The Ultra Beasts are technically battle facility-legal legendary Pokémon according to the games' internal data, as are the other Pokémon with green dex entries in SM. The wiki's staff are adamant that we wait until someone official refers to them as legendary before adding that they are, though they said the same thing for the tapu when they were first revealed (IIRC that stemmed from them not being listed as legendaries on SM's website unlike Solgaleo and Lunala? Cosmog wasn't either, though...) until Tapu Koko was referred to as a legendary in one of the promotional things for the shiny event. Cosmog's family and Necrozma have been suggested in several media to be Ultra Beasts lore-wise despite the game mechanics not treating them as such (i.e. altered ball catch rates), but like Celadonkey said it's up to Game Freak to decide how many UBs there are and that maybe we should wait until USUM or SM044 to be dubbed, whatever comes first, before we add any of that stuff about the other five to this page. Hell, if USUM includes the National Dex it might even make some of the clarification issues clearer if we can refer to what dex backgrounds other generations' legendaries and mythicals have.[[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 18:50, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::The Ultra Beasts are technically battle facility-legal legendary Pokémon according to the games' internal data, as are the other Pokémon with green dex entries in SM. The wiki's staff are adamant that we wait until someone official refers to them as legendary before adding that they are, though they said the same thing for the tapu when they were first revealed (IIRC that stemmed from them not being listed as legendaries on SM's website unlike Solgaleo and Lunala? Cosmog wasn't either, though...) until Tapu Koko was referred to as a legendary in one of the promotional things for the shiny event. Cosmog's family and Necrozma have been suggested in several media to be Ultra Beasts lore-wise despite the game mechanics not treating them as such (i.e. altered ball catch rates), but like Celadonkey said it's up to Game Freak to decide how many UBs there are and that maybe we should wait until USUM or SM044 to be dubbed, whatever comes first, before we add any of that stuff about the other five to this page. Hell, if USUM includes the National Dex it might even make some of the clarification issues clearer if we can refer to what dex backgrounds other generations' legendaries and mythicals have.[[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 18:50, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 
::::::You're assuming too much, Azureprism. There is no marker in "the games' internal data" marking anything as legendary or not. As for the dex backgrounds, Type: Null and Silvally have the green one but were explicitly stated to be non-Legendary in Ga-Olé, so it's clear that "green = Legendary" was a false assumption the fanbase jumped on. Is it really that ludicrous to want confirmation before saying something rather than relying on assumptions? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:56, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
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