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== Canon == | |||
Very few fans realize that the presence of the red Gyarados in the games is not caused by the induced evolution of the resident Magikarp. The anime intertwined the two events and used the connection as an excuse for the unusual coloring (the Magikarp retained its color upon evolving irregularly); the game dialogue never so much as hints at such a connection. | Very few fans realize that the presence of the red Gyarados in the games is not caused by the induced evolution of the resident Magikarp. The anime intertwined the two events and used the connection as an excuse for the unusual coloring (the Magikarp retained its color upon evolving irregularly); the game dialogue never so much as hints at such a connection. | ||
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It is incorrect to place Diamond and Pearl's beginning at the time of red Gyarados' appearance in Gold, Silver and Crystal. The news broadcast does not mention the appearance of the red Gyarados before a trainer in Johto, but rather pinpoints the Pokémon's background as being elusive and sought after. Therefore, it stands to reason that the Lake of Rage sighting takes place later on, possibly allowing for the Johto storyline to commence at the same time as that of Sinnoh. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 12:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC) | It is incorrect to place Diamond and Pearl's beginning at the time of red Gyarados' appearance in Gold, Silver and Crystal. The news broadcast does not mention the appearance of the red Gyarados before a trainer in Johto, but rather pinpoints the Pokémon's background as being elusive and sought after. Therefore, it stands to reason that the Lake of Rage sighting takes place later on, possibly allowing for the Johto storyline to commence at the same time as that of Sinnoh. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 12:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Uhhh... I followed almost none of that but, in response to the last part it could just be a rumor of a gyrados or sun reflecting off one scales and such but you do make a point. (one that I couldn't follow)[[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario]] 13:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC) | :Uhhh... I followed almost none of that but, in response to the last part it could just be a rumor of a gyrados or sun reflecting off one scales and such but you do make a point. (one that I couldn't follow) [[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario]] 13:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
:That's actually very good reasoning. I never gave it much attention that the Red Gyarados wasn't created by the forced evolution. However, the information from the start of D/P does definitely agree - the Red Gyarados could NOT have been created by the Rockets because s/he was a legend from before the Chôji Town incident. As for FR/LG, everything about the Sevii storyarc is building towards Johto, and those electromagnetic waves are simply another part of the process. In a way, the Red Gyarados serves as another sign that Gen II is coming back. Good discerning, Unown Lord! --[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 14:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC) | :That's actually very good reasoning. I never gave it much attention that the Red Gyarados wasn't created by the forced evolution. However, the information from the start of D/P does definitely agree - the Red Gyarados could NOT have been created by the Rockets because s/he was a legend from before the Chôji Town incident. As for FR/LG, everything about the Sevii storyarc is building towards Johto, and those electromagnetic waves are simply another part of the process. In a way, the Red Gyarados serves as another sign that Gen II is coming back. Good discerning, Unown Lord! --[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 14:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
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::Yeah, though the fact that they chose Gyarados instead of another shiny Pokémon suggests a connection, and they mentioned a lake too, right? Gyarados are found in any large body of water, so why a lake and not a seashore? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 13:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ::Yeah, though the fact that they chose Gyarados instead of another shiny Pokémon suggests a connection, and they mentioned a lake too, right? Gyarados are found in any large body of water, so why a lake and not a seashore? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 13:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Very well reasoned... does it make an changes in the article necessary? If not, who cares? Forums. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 13:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | :Very well reasoned... does it make an changes in the article necessary? If not, who cares? Forums. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 13:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Lake of Rage == | == Lake of Rage == | ||
I was at Lake of Rage, I battled the red Gyarados, but it blue instead!! I think it was a shiny shiny, a pokemon supposed to be shiny but ended up being normal. --[[User:Doomey|Doomey]] | I was at Lake of Rage, I battled the red Gyarados, but it blue instead!! I think it was a shiny shiny, a pokemon supposed to be shiny but ended up being normal. --[[User:Doomey|Doomey]] | ||
:...Thats probably just a gitch D: I've never heard of that happening before. [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]]|<span style="color:#F4C2C2"> サソデイ = 愛</span> 09:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC) | :...Thats probably just a gitch D: I've never heard of that happening before. [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]]|<span style="color:#F4C2C2"> サソデイ = 愛</span> 09:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:::::And what games do you suggest feature Johto that DON'T have Johto as the main region? Snorlax is a One-off in Johto. --[[User:Gen1king|<span style="color:#F08030;">'''GE'''</span>]][[User talk:Gen1king|<span style="color:#CC0000">'''N1'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|<span style="color:#660000">'''KI'''</span><span style="color:#330000">'''NG'''</span>]] 00:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | :::::And what games do you suggest feature Johto that DON'T have Johto as the main region? Snorlax is a One-off in Johto. --[[User:Gen1king|<span style="color:#F08030;">'''GE'''</span>]][[User talk:Gen1king|<span style="color:#CC0000">'''N1'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|<span style="color:#660000">'''KI'''</span><span style="color:#330000">'''NG'''</span>]] 00:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Pictures! == | |||
I just couldn't resist. The picture we have now, while nice, is, in my opinion, kinda bland. This one okay? | |||
'''PIC REMOVED''' | |||
The quality looks really low because it's so big, but it actually looks really good smaller :) --[[User:Gen1king|<span style="color:#F08030;">'''GE'''</span>]][[User talk:Gen1king|<span style="color:#CC0000">'''N1'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|<span style="color:#660000">'''KI'''</span><span style="color:#330000">'''NG'''</span>]] 00:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
:The quality still isn't really good, the one we have now is good for right now...--[[User:PsychicRider|<span style="color:#78C850;">'''Psy'''</span>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#F85888;">'''ライダー'''</sub>]]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<span style="color:#C4E673;">'''☮'''</span>]]'' 00:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I never said it wasn't good, I just said that there's room for improvement. What quality flaws can you see in that picture at that size, anyway? Besides it shows more of its body, not just a headshot. --[[User:Gen1king|<span style="color:#F08030;">'''GE'''</span>]][[User talk:Gen1king|<span style="color:#CC0000">'''N1'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|<span style="color:#660000">'''KI'''</span><span style="color:#330000">'''NG'''</span>]] 00:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::The fact that it looks soooo low quality...That's the quality flaw...No one cares if whither its a fully body shot or not...--[[User:PsychicRider|<span style="color:#78C850;">'''Psy'''</span>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#F85888;">'''ライダー'''</sub>]]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<span style="color:#C4E673;">'''☮'''</span>]]'' 00:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::Jeez, sorry. I don' think it looks '''that''' low quality. And who are you to say no one cares? I'm just saying, more of Gyarados sometimes means a better picture, and people do in fact care whether pictures are good or not. --[[User:Gen1king|<span style="color:#F08030;">'''GE'''</span>]][[User talk:Gen1king|<span style="color:#CC0000">'''N1'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|<span style="color:#660000">'''KI'''</span><span style="color:#330000">'''NG'''</span>]] 00:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::Just because the image size was bigger, doesn't mean the picture is better, whether shrunk or not. It was clearly blurry and compared to the one we have now. I would avoid taking Youtube screenshots on fullscreen if I were you, it's not going to make the quality any better. <span style="color:red">—<small>♥</small></span> <b>[[User:Jello|<span style="color:orange">Jel</span>]][[User Talk:Jello|<span style="color:#90a8e0;">lo</span>]]</b> 00:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Also, the fact that if you look around you won't see pics that are horrible quality kinda speaks for itself...--[[User:PsychicRider|<span style="color:#7394D5;">'''Psy'''</span>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#C0C0C0;">'''ライダー'''</sub>]]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<span style="color:#705848;">'''☮'''</span>]]'' 00:59, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::::It was not a youtube screenshot, but it was low quality. Either way, the fact that you do not like a picture doesn't mean that you have the authority to delete it. It '''was''' low quality, but still. --[[User:Gen1king|<span style="color:#F08030;">'''GE'''</span>]][[User talk:Gen1king|<span style="color:#CC0000">'''N1'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|<span style="color:#660000">'''KI'''</span><span style="color:#330000">'''NG'''</span>]] 01:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
== sprites == | |||
Should the Generation III and D/P/Pt sprites for the Red Gyarados be shown as well? I know that the Red Gyarados doesn't appear as a guaranteed shiny in those games, but it ''does'' have sprites, as all shiny Gyarados are red... :P --[[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400">'''Zesty'''</span>]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#3CB371">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 00:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
== The Magikarp Sprite == | |||
On the Template that explains the basic information about the Red Gyrados, the evolution chain shows a shiny magikarp on there intstead of the normal sprite, I think. This Gyrados was a regular colored Magikarp but kept it's red color when it was forced to evolve. Is there any way to change that shiny Magikarp sprite to it's normal colored on because if there is, I have no idea what. [[User:Swampert Man|<span style="color:teal;">Swampert Man</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Swampert Man|<span style="color:green;">''Swampert''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Swampert Man|<span style="color:green;">''is Awesome!''</span>]]</sub> 03:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Yeah, I don't know how to do it, so someone needs to change the shiny magikarp to a regular magikarp or something. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 20:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
== IVs in Generation II == | |||
In Generation II, do the IVs for the Red Gyarados line up to what they have to be to be shiny, or is it just programmed so that it's always shiny? I think it's just programmed that way, because I just tried the [[List of minor glitches#Shiny Ditto glitch|Shiny Ditto glitch]] with my Red Gyarados, and it didn't work, but I might've just done something wrong. I would try calculating its IVs, but I don't have its EV count, and I'm not about to restart my game. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 02:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Intimidate == | |||
In Pokémon Adventures, did the Red Gyarados have the ability {{a|Intimidate}}? It can usually have that ability in the games (other than Dream World) but I wasn't sure if this Gyarados had it in the manga. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 02:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Gender of in-game Red Gyarados == | |||
How is the gender of the in-game Gyarados determined? Is it set from the beginning of the game? I caught my Red Gyarados several times but it was always male and always had the same [[IV|IVs]]. –[[User:PatPeter|'''Pat''']][[User talk:PatPeter|'''Peter''']] 11:28, 25 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Infobox == | |||
The infobox pertains exclusively to the animé, whereas the Pokémon itself appeared in the games, manga, and the animé. It might have appeared in more but I can't think of anything else from off the top of my head. The infobox is misleading, and makes it out to be an animé exclusive occurence. The actual layout type of the info box is the one used for Pokémon that only existed in the animé. It mentions nothing at all about the games. I believe it should either be fixed to include the games' information as well, or that it should be split into multiple pages. Sorry about the rant. I'm quite biased that the games are better (because they were what S. Tajiri wanted and the animé was just some team's interpretation that provides false information to kids who don't know any better) and should have priority over the anime, however I know that every aspect of Pokémon deserves its share and that is why I think it would be better for the page to be split into "Red Gyarados (Animé)" and "Red Gyarados (Games)," as well as any other canons that it appeared in. | |||
=D {{unsigned|Pikachu6780}} | |||
:I don't think it's necessary to separate the page into different pages for your reasoning (though in the case of it being Silver's Gyarados and Lance's Gyarados, it would be nice as there are so many templates at the bottom of the page, making it confusing). The issue you're concerned over is something that is dealt with in the {{template|AnimePokémonInfobox}} template. The template talkpage of it had [[Template talk:AnimePokémonInfobox#Pokémon Special|a user]] requesting that there should be multiple information listed in the template with regards to other canons (in this case, debut rounds in multiple media). In response to "it mentions nothing at all about the games", that statement is technically incorrect as the Ability is referenced based on the games, but I do see where you are coming from. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#AB2813"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#00A000"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 22:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Image == | |||
An editor reverted, saying that it was for the anime not generations. However, the article discusses not only the anime version but also in the games. And as generations is the most recent, the generations image should be shown in the main. {{unsigned|RubyLeafGreenCrystal}} | |||
:The article discusses all canons, but the anime is (for some reason) the canon most prominently mentioned, while Generations doesn't even have a section until way down almost at the end. If Generations were the main canon used on the page, we could use its image in the infobox, but as the article currently stands I think the main anime image is better. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:41, 14 March 2017 (UTC) | |||