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 :It is absolutely an enormous stretch; lots of things happened in the Pliocene, not just the ice cap forming, and picking out an uncommon term for ice caps to justify the assertion is just idiotic. I'll remove it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:19, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 ::Ok, thanks. I was about to remove it before I thought it best to bring the issues up first on the talk page just to be safe. I know people get touchy when it comes to the name origin of Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:28, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
+== PECKING PILOSWINE ==
+Possible trivia addition: Piloswine('s line) is the only evolutionary line that has access to the move peck--actually learning the move on its own†--which at no evolutionary stage is either avian (hence beak) or possessing an obvious horn/spike on the head to use for this attack. (Presumably this is done using the tusks? Maybe?) In fact, with the sole exception of Maractus, (whose general spikiness manifests in its movepool elsewhere, if the headspike doesn't) all the other non-avian pokemon with access to peck also have access to some other "horn" move--horn attack‡, megahorn, or horn drill--meaning that their horn is acknowledged elsewhere in their movepool as a thing they attack with.
+†you have to use the move rememberer to get at it legally, yes, but that works on the premise that it learned the move on its own and then forgot it. I'm making a distinction here between egg moves, move tutors and tm/hm moves as opposed to moves that are part of the base movepool. If you were to somehow catch a level 1 piloswine in gen IV, IT WOULD KNOW PECK.
+‡Interestingly, in gen III, Piloswine learned ''horn attack'' instead of peck, but in later generations it has peck instead, with no way to teach it horn attack. That means that between gens III and IV, someone consciously decided that ''horn attack was not a sensible move for Piloswine to learn; peck makes much more sense.''
+Mostly, however, my point is that Piloswine is not avian, nor does it have a horn. Surely there must have been SOMETHING more appropriate than peck? Why peck?? Nidoran♀ pointedly does ''not'' learn peck, or any of the other related horn-y moves, while her male counterpart does, because her horns are too small/she does not have a head spike. Only six non-avian lines have ''ever'' had access to the move peck,  and only five lines have had access to peck since gen II (seel only very briefly had it via breeding); Piloswine has NO OTHER moves that are even remotely "spike/jab"-y!  [[User:Harumei|Harumei]] ([[User talk:Harumei|talk]]) 19:13, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
+:It also learns Fury Attack, and quote its description, "The target is '''jabbed''' repeatedly with a '''horn or beak''' two to five times in a row." Mamoswine also learns Peck the same way, and you'll note that the reason Swinub can't is because it doesn't have tusks like its evolutions. Tusks count as "horns," regardless of their location. But ultimately, none of this is notable as trivia, imo. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:31, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
+::While I grant you Fury attack, which I didn't notice as I tend to confuse it with fury swipes, I will point out that I said "Line"--meaning both Piloswine and mamoswine--and my point remains, as tusks are rather emphatically ''not'' horns, being teeth as opposed to keratin over bone, and moreover the original point was that PECK is a weird choice. "Piloswine and Mamoswine are one of only five non-avian evolutionary lines to learn the move peck, and of those, they are the only ones who do not posses an obvious horn on the top of their head with which to accomplish this move."<--interesting trivia, imo. It wouldn't be nearly so remarkable if it weren't so specific a move; they're unusually discriminating where Peck is concerned--Horn attack I'd grant you, but peck? HOW DO YOU PECK WITH CURVED TUSKS? you'd be GORING them![[User:Harumei|Harumei]] ([[User talk:Harumei|talk]]) 23:07, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
+:::The four you mention with horns on their heads prove that they are ''not'' as discriminating with Peck as you claim. I see no difference in significance between Piloswine using Peck and Seaking or Nidoking using it, and indeed, Piloswine seems to make a lot more sense using Peck than Maractus. On top of that, judging whether a move is unusual for any particular Pokemon is subjective, and thus does not belong on an encyclopedia. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:59, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+::::Do note that the act of pecking is poking at something with a sharp instrument, such as beaks, horns and tusks. Piloswine and Mamoswine knowing the move shouldn't be such a problem as they have something to peck with.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 03:20, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
+== Mammoth vs. Mastodon ==
+The origin section says that Piloswine "also shares traits with mammoths and mastodons the latter of which is expressed in its later evolution". However, Mamoswine is based on a mammoth, not a mastodon, so it should say "the '''former''' of which is expressed in its later evolution".
+I would've just fixed it but in the source I noticed this little note:
+"Mammoths were grazers, while mastodons were browsers, a behavior similar to that talked about in most of Piloswine's Generation III Pokédex entries."
+I wasn't sure if it meant that Piloswine was a grazer or a browser - very little in the Pokédex suggests anything about either, and parts that did suggest that Piloswine is a grazer, but I'm still not sure what whoever wrote this section meant.
+Either way, the sentence is incorrect. If Piloswine is a grazer, then it should say "the '''former''' of which is expressed in its later evolution". If Piloswine is a browser, like the confusing note in the source suggests, then it should say "'''both''' of which are expressed in its later evolution" - Mamoswine's appearance and name origin shows it is based on a mammoth, and mastodons are browsers.
+The grammar in this section is pretty confusing - I've already fixed one mistake and as I'm writing this I already see another. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 20:46, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
+==Evolution Trivia out of date==
+The trivia point "Of all the Pokémon that need to know a certain move to evolve, Piloswine is the only one that has already evolved once." is no longer true, as Steenee evolves by knowing Stomp, and already evolved from Bounsweet. Should this trivia point be removed, or edited to incorporate Steenee? My feeling is that it should just be removed. [[User:Itsdavidbaxter|Itsdavidbaxter]] ([[User talk:Itsdavidbaxter|talk]]) 19:32, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
+:If something stops being unique, it generally is not worth trivia section anymore, as far as I know. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 19:40, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
+::Thanks. Makes sense. I've edited the page to remove that trivia. [[User:Itsdavidbaxter|Itsdavidbaxter]] ([[User talk:Itsdavidbaxter|talk]]) 20:04, 21 December 2016 (UTC)