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::After some testing, the spin tiles in Viridian Gym seem to work, although very slowly. The day-care man doesn't seem to call you until you leave the gym though. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] ([[User talk:HyperHacker|talk]]) 08:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::After some testing, the spin tiles in Viridian Gym seem to work, although very slowly. The day-care man doesn't seem to call you until you leave the gym though. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] ([[User talk:HyperHacker|talk]]) 08:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::These slopes can be found around Route 111 in Hoenn in R/S/E. I'm not sure if they can be found in Gen IV. [[User:Nors|Nors]] ([[User talk:Nors|talk]]) 16:41, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
::These slopes can be found around Route 111 in Hoenn in R/S/E. I'm not sure if they can be found in Gen IV. [[User:Nors|Nors]] ([[User talk:Nors|talk]]) 16:41, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
::In OR/AS, the Battle Resort can be used as a loop area to ride your bike around without having to deal with any obstacles. This can be done by holding the Up button or pushing the thumbpad up, and when the camera turns around, you'll still be moving to the side while holding Up. This is shown in my test video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbgOESUxTWA] The way I do this, since the directional pad requires too much pressure to mount any object on it without risking harm to the 3DS, is by carefully sticking a small pin under the thumbpad to push it in one direction. Usually, a thumbtack will suffice as long as you don't move it around, and be careful not to jam it under the pad or you may damage it that way. [[User:Eriah|ξriah §ylverstone]] ([[User talk:Eriah|talk]]) 04:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
== Items that affect breeding ==
== Items that affect breeding ==


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::Snorlax is 87.5% male, 12.5% female; your data actually has slightly more females than you would expect. I also bred Snorlax a while ago when this topic first came up, and my data approximately matched the gender ratio. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 04:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
::Snorlax is 87.5% male, 12.5% female; your data actually has slightly more females than you would expect. I also bred Snorlax a while ago when this topic first came up, and my data approximately matched the gender ratio. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 04:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Okay, I feel really dumb now. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:Naokohiro|Naokohiro]] ([[User talk:Naokohiro|talk]]) 08:13, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Okay, I feel really dumb now. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:Naokohiro|Naokohiro]] ([[User talk:Naokohiro|talk]]) 08:13, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Also, the 80% was a guess, I thought maybe it was higher. [[User:Naokohiro|Naokohiro]] ([[User talk:Naokohiro|talk]]) 08:16, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


== Receive an Egg, go inside, find there is another waiting outside ==
== Receive an Egg, go inside, find there is another waiting outside ==
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::I was somewhat also wondering if it was some kind of left over egg cycle count or something. I guess not. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:30, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
::I was somewhat also wondering if it was some kind of left over egg cycle count or something. I guess not. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:30, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
:::Every 255 steps an Egg has a chance of being made, regardless of if the man's already holding onto one or not. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 18:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
:::Every 255 steps an Egg has a chance of being made, regardless of if the man's already holding onto one or not. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 18:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
== Gen VI first Egg deterministic? ==
I bred the same pair of Wurmple 10+ times in XY (both from the same/another (ORAS) player, both newly caught in ORAS). I'd grab a couple Eggs, hatch them, and then evolve them (to see if they became Cascoon or Silcoon), then reset afterwards to before I left the Wurmple at the Day Care. And for a while I noticed that the first Egg seemed to always be Cascoon (when both of the parents could evolve into Cascoon; but this may be coincidence), and when I started paying attention, I noticed that in 10 resets, all 10 times, the first Egg hatched into a female/Careful/Mischievous/Cascoon-evolution Wurmple (and the last 6 times, I also noted the stats at lv8, and they were the same). Their second Egg was apparently random.
This raises a number of questions.
* Is this new to Gen VI?
* Is this at all variable? I.e., maybe there's a random factor, but maybe it only randomizes when a new day starts.
* Is it reliant on a "fresh" pair of Pokemon, or at least one "fresh" Pokemon? I.e., if one (or if both) have bred before, will the first Egg when they are left at the Day Care be random? Or is the logic that, ''any time'' two Pokemon are left at the Day Care, the first Egg will always be set and only the second and later Eggs will actually be random?
I may not have the patience/time to get to these questions, but I wanted to put this out here for someone to look into maybe. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
:Seems to me the first egg might have been produced before you saved, so when you reset it you just got the same egg over and over [[User:Litwick96|Litwick96]] ([[User talk:Litwick96|talk]]) 04:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
::I think one of us isn't understanding something (and I'm open to it being either of us, really)... At the point where I saved, I had no Pokemon deposited in the Day Care. And after I deposited both Wurmple, it still took random amounts of time for me to receive an Egg. Were you thinking that I had actually saved with Pokemon in the Day Care, or did you mean something else? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:00, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
:::I must have missed where you said you saved before depositing your Wurmple, my bad. [[User:Litwick96|Litwick96]] ([[User talk:Litwick96|talk]]) 05:57, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
== event moves ==
I couldn't find this on the article, but do event moves pass down. like for example an endeavor pikachu from the Pikachu cup, can it pass down endeavor? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 17:31, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
:A Pokémon can only pass down level-up moves, TM/HM moves (in Gen II-V), Tutor moves (in Crystal), and Egg Moves for that specific species. Some Pokémon (Snorlax and Dratini) have moves that can only be bred from event Pokémon in the first place, but you cannot pass down moves unless the Pokémon's species specifically allows it.
:Since Pichu does not have Endeavor as an Egg Move or level-up move, it is not possible for the Pikachu Cup Pikachu to pass down Endeavor. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 01:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
== New breeding technique possible? ==
I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that the PID for an egg in [[Generation VI]] is determined after the previous egg is picked up. If this is indeed the case, then IV passing techniques (like the Destiny Knot) probably don't apply for the current egg, but rather the next one (since the PID and therefore IVs have already been determined) -- if you breed a 31/31/31/31/31/31 IV spread with a Destiny Knot, the first offspring might not have any perfect IVs, but the one following it will have at least 5 of them perfect, even if the parents are different. Theoretically, this would allow breeding up any breedable Pokémon with almost perfect IVs (at least a 1/32 chance) by alternating between a "perfect pair" (which will pass down 5 perfect IVs) and a "desired pair" (which will determine species, egg moves, ball, etc.). I don't have much capacity to really test this theory at this time (nothing close to 5 perfect IVs right now, let alone the best of 6), but if someone can validate it, it should probably be described on the page. I'll continue to look for a citation for the initial statement. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 00:08, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
:Beaten to the punch. A similar (and slightly better) technique is described on [http://www.azurilland.com/forums/pokemon-6th-generation/pokemon-x-y/454281-6th-gen-rng-egg-abuse-found-by-japanese-community Azurilland] and confirmed by Smogon (according to the linked thread). Not where I originally read about it, but good enough for me. Adding the bit about the PID to the page. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 00:18, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
::And rereading is making me doubt it. I'll need to go do some testing myself before I'd add it to the page. Meh, guess it's time to get a collection of 3 perfect IV parents... [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 00:26, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Azurilland's thread isn't a very good explanation or exploration; [http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/some-sort-of-egg-rng-abuse-read-the-first-post.3491324/ Smogon's] is (eventually).
:::There's a few too many complicated details for me to try to add anything about it to the page either, though, without putting it to practice and getting the feel of it myself. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
== Destiny Knot Clarification ==
Are the extra IVs passed down unaffected by which parent holds the Destiny Knot? Like, if I have a 5IV Pokémon and a 0IV Pokémon, the 0IV one could hold it and the offspring will have the same chance of inheriting the perfect IVs? If so, I feel that the article could stand to be slightly clearer (like ", regardless of which parent holds it," or something), because that would have saved me a lot of time in the process of breeding my Naive Froakie. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|<sub>talk</sub>]] 02:37, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
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