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Excuse me, but shouldn't the [[Ken Sugimori]] [[Red and Green]] artwork be replaced with the latest one we got. Bulbapedia is an internet site, it should be as modern as it can be. Shouldn't we return to [[Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen]] artwork? | Excuse me, but shouldn't the [[Ken Sugimori]] [[Red and Green]] artwork be replaced with the latest one we got. Bulbapedia is an internet site, it should be as modern as it can be. Shouldn't we return to [[Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen]] artwork? | ||
NOTE: This applies to lots of other Pokemon. Since I didn't know where exactly to post it, I chose the very first [[Pokemon]] affected. | NOTE: This applies to lots of other Pokemon. Since I didn't know where exactly to post it, I chose the very first [[Pokemon]] affected. {{Unsigned|BlueWartortle}} | ||
([[BlueWartortle]], | :That's to celebrate the 17th anniversary of Red and Green. '''''<font color="#705898"><sub>[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...</sub> [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''</font> 19:38, 27 February 2013 (UTC) | ||
::Will it return to normal afterwards, then? {{Unsigned|BlueWartortle}} | |||
:::Yes.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 21:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Biology == | |||
Apart from the unfortunate decision to make all references to Bulbasaur and its species a singular noun, there are other things wrong with how this section is written. | |||
:A Bulbasaur is a small, {{DL|List of Pokémon by body style|Pokémon with a quadruped body|quadruped}} Pokémon with green or bluish green skin and dark patches. | |||
If Bulbasaur is small, than lots of Pokémon are small. By the way, being based on the Dicynodont, it is indeed reptilian. Its stance is its only similarity to toads. Patches imply different skin texture, such as Kangaskhan's bumps; those are indeed spots. | |||
:Due to being domesticated from birth, Bulbasaur is regarded as both rare and well-behaved Pokémon. | |||
Other than the obvious grammar error, this reads like there is but one Bulbasaur (who's nice). | |||
:[[PK01|Bulbasaur has also shown itself to be]] good at caring for young Pokémon, even having a special technique called the ‘’Bulba-by’’ where it picks up the young Pokémon with its vines, rocking it slowly in the air to calm it down. | |||
Too much hyperlinked text. Way too wordy. Instead of repeating "young Pokémon," you could have left it how I'd worded it. Those apostrophes are all over the place. Missing a comma. Actions are not locations (use "in which" instead of "where"). | |||
:However, due to its status as starter Pokémon, Bulbasaur is hard to come by in the wild and generally found under the ownership of Trainers. In [[EP051|one episode]], it is shown that a Bulbasaur's bulb will flash blue when it is ready to evolve, and it must struggle to resist the transformation. The episode also shows that large groups of Bulbasaur gather every year in a hidden garden in Kanto to become Ivysaur. | |||
Grammar. I'm sure we could link to EP051 without wasting time mentioning the anime. --<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">IWanna</font>]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="white">VeryBest</font>]]</span></font> 08:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
:These changes were decided by the staff as a whole after a long period of discussion. It was decided that the entire biology section should be written in singular, gender-neutral terms. This is what the Pokedex does, and it was decided that the most professional thing to do is write in the same style. This is not going to change. Having references to the anime that should be mentioned and linked to the correct episodes was another decision made after much discussion. Moving on to your complaints about this specific article. | |||
:Many Pokemon are indeed small. Being based on a reptile does not make it a reptile. When this was written, it was decided that because of Bulbasaur's mix of traits it was better not to include a specifier such as "reptilian". Spots imply something like a leopard or a cheetah's markings. A spot is a round marking, which is not what Bulbasaur displays. Bulbasaur has irregularly shaped patches or blotches of darker color, not round spots of darker color. Overuse of the the pronoun "its" in reference to the young Pokemon making it confuses as the to whether you're talking about Bulbasaur or the baby. | |||
:: Bulbasaur can also be excellent caretakers, even having a special technique called the "Bulba-by," used to soothe a young Pokémon by picking it up with its vines and rocking it slowly in the air, as seen in ''[[PK01|Pikachu’s Vacation]]''. | |||
Do the vines belong to Bulbasaur or the baby? "It" is used to refer to both, so one cannot be sure. The entire sentence still needs further rewording, really. I will look into that. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 09:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Biology section changes == | |||
Probably a dumb question and I don't know where else I could ask this (I only put it here because this was the first Pokémon affected), but is there a reason some Pokémon have [[Mewtwo_(Pokémon)#Biology|more under their "biology" section]] than [[Bulbasaur_(Pokémon)#Biology|others]]? Is this an attempt to change the way the pages are organized? Just seems odd right now how some Pokémon have their bio section going into more categories including their special abilities and behaviors than others. And so far from what I've seen, it seems that only the [[Generation I]] except for {{p|Mewtwo}} are affected by this as well as a couple of Pokémon from other [[Generation|Gens]] scattered across the series. ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 00:00, 23 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Main_Page The message from the editor] explains this. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 00:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
::Thanks, guess that makes sense, though personally I was used to the sectioned segments. But, whatever, it happens. I always found the behavior section to be curious, guess I found how some Pokémon's behavior to be intriguing especially if they were based off of an actual animal in the real world. Still, makes sense to put it all into one group to avoid confusion I suppose. But I digress, again. :P ----[[User:NateVirus|<span style="color:blue">NateVirus</span>]]<small>''([[User talk:NateVirus|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|<span style="color:red">Contributions</span>]]''</small>) 00:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Flying Press and Freeze-Dry effectiveness == | |||
Since the effectiveness of these two moves differs from other Fighting- and Ice-type attacks, don't you think it might be worth it adding a note under the type effectiveness table when these moves react differently than normal? | |||
For example, Bulbasaur normally resists Fighting-type moves, but takes normal damage from Flying Press, so we could add a note saying: | |||
*The effectiveness of [[Flying Press]] is 1×. | |||
Ludicolo normally takes normal damage from both Fighting- and Ice-type moves, but is weak to these two special attacks, so we could add two notes saying: | |||
*The effectiveness of [[Flying Press]] is 2×. | |||
*The effectiveness of [[Freeze-Dry]] is 4×. | |||
[[User:Loudo|Loudo]] ([[User talk:Loudo|talk]]) 15:15, 15 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Bulbasaur and Bulbapedia == | |||
Should it be listed that Bulbapedia is named after Bulbasaur (sorry, I cannot do a question mark) [[User:PKCat|PKCat]] ([[User talk:PKCat|talk]]) 02:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
:It's mentioned on [[Bulbagarden]]'s page which is, imho, the only place that it needs to be mentioned. Fansites being named after Pokémon isn't really notable, even if we're the fansite. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 02:02, 9 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
::OK, I wanted to check. [[User:PKCat|PKCat]] ([[User talk:PKCat|talk]]) 02:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
==X and Y image?== | |||
I was wondering if I could provide an image for Bulbasaur in X and Y. (It can be changed if it isn't good quality.) I'm not great with links, (like the game and generation next to the sprite) but I can provide an image...[[User:SuperShroom63|SuperShroom63]] ([[User talk:SuperShroom63|talk]]) 20:51, 16 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
==Pokémon Battle Trozei Info== | |||
I noticed there's no side game data for Pokémon Battle Trozei in any Pokémon page, so I was going to add the locations where Pokémon can be found in the game. I started with Bulbasaur and tried to add the location where it is found, but it doesn't work.[[User:TepiGreninja|TepiGreninja]] ([[User talk:TepiGreninja|talk]]) 23:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Since it was a new game, it may be a while before it will work in the side game section. The location pages are currently works in progress in a user's userspace at the moment, and once they're set to go, they'll be incorporated into the mainspace. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 23:57, 20 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
== This goes for every Pokemon, but Bulbasaur is the first so == | |||
Why aren't the X/Y sprites animated? I think it just seems redundant when Smogon and tons of other websites have the animated sprites. Is it a hardware thing considering GIFs don't play correctly on some devices? | |||
[[User:SuperLuigi9624|SuperLuigi9624]] ([[User talk:SuperLuigi9624|talk]]) 00:08, 30 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
:It's because the animated models have not been uploaded yet, just like how most of the animated BW/B2W2 sprites have not been uploaded yet.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 03:50, 30 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
::If I recall there was more to it then just that, but you'd have to ask Kogs as to what the reason was. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 04:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Correction == | |||
A <nowiki>"—"</nowiki> used in moves list destroys moves segregation.--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 19:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
:What do you mean by that? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:20, 2 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
::I think he means that the dashes are breaking the sorting. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 19:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::He might be right. I didn't upload it to Archives since it's not for any articles, but I put [http://oi61.tinypic.com/2hdcllx.jpg three different sorts] on Tinypic. The numbers are not even sorting in either case (left is unsorted, then increasing and decreasing in some order). So yes, the dash might need to be replaced for tables that sort, but what's interesting is that even the numbers are not sorting correctly (both sorts have 45 and 55 in that order, and 50, 90, 120, 80 in that order on opposite ends of the grid). There's nothing obvious in the code that should break it. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::Disregarding for the moment whether that's actually what Dominikololo meant... | |||
::::It's not actually the fault of most individual tables. Almost ''everything'' sortable on this page actually has broken sorting after the first column. (I haven't checked much, but I'd wager you'd find the same on most other Pokemon pages.) If you try to edit and preview any individual section, the table sorts fine. But if you preview the whole page, most tables are broken still/again. | |||
::::Somehow, it seems as if the tutoring table is screwing things up for everything else. Weirdly, it's the only one that sorts correctly when the whole page is rendered, but if you remove ''just'' the tutoring table, suddenly everything else sorts fine. (Removing other templates doesn't affect it; certainly not those after tutoring anyway.) From a brief look, I have no idea why any of the tutoring templates might be causing that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:18, 2 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::Would making tutoring non-sortable lead to fixing the problem? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::Staff is aware and working on it. <small>[[User:Glik|glik]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Glik|glak]]</sup> 20:50, 2 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I've learned [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Clothing&diff=2118422&oldid=2118420 before] that sorting doesn't play nicely with colspan. I figured out how to make the tutor table play nicely with everything else, and it has to do with the colspan in the header, but I can't offer any real explanation as to why it works or why it was broken. | |||
:::::::In {{template|Learnlist/tutorh/6}}, replace: <code><nowiki>! colspan="4" | [[Pokémon games|<span style="color:#000;">Game</span>]] </nowiki></code> | |||
:::::::with four lines of: <code><nowiki>! [[Pokémon games|<span style="color:#000;">Game</span>]] </nowiki></code>. | |||
:::::::Obviously you can play with that solution a bit however you want, but that's the gist. You can easily test it by just going to a Pokemon page, editing the whole page (and if you preview at this point, you'll notice that other tables like the level-up moves don't sort right), and replace the {{template|Learnlist/tutorh/6}} call with its wiki code. (It doesn't matter that the colors don't match or that the last few columns are missing.) Then if you make the substitution I wrote above and preview the result, you'll notice that all tables now sort correctly. | |||
:::::::...Alternatively, just don't make the tutor table sortable at all (i.e., remove <code><nowiki>class="sortable"</nowiki></code>). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:41, 12 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
== TCG Pokédex Entries == | |||
I'd like to start adding the TCG Pokédex entries to the Pokémon pages (one of the few things left on the to-do list), but I'm not entirely certain what template I should use. Maybe something like this? | |||
====Pokédex entries==== | |||
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; width: 90%; text-align:center; background: #DDDDDD; border: 1px solid gray" | |||
|- | |||
! colspan="4" style="text-align:left" |Bulbasaur | |||
|- | |||
! Card | |||
! Expansion | |||
! # | |||
! Entry | |||
|- style="background: #fff" | |||
| {{TCG ID|Base Set|Bulbasaur|44}} | |||
| {{TCG|Base Set}} | |||
| 44/102 | |||
| A strange seed was planted on its back at birth. Thus, a plant sprouted and now grows with this Pokémon. | |||
|- style="background: #fff" | |||
| {{TCG ID|Dark Explorers|Bulbasaur|1}} | |||
| {{TCG|Dark Explorers}} | |||
| 1/108 | |||
| For some time after its birth, it grows by gaining nourishment from the seed on its back. | |||
|} | |||
<BR>Please let me know how this should be properly formatted so we can start adding this section to the Pokémon pages. Thanks :) | |||
<BR>[[User:RetroKitty|RetroKitty]] ([[User talk:RetroKitty|talk]]) 05:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Trivia Fact == | |||
Trivia Fact | |||
'''Bulbasaur is the first dual type basic staged Grass-type starter Pokémon.''' | |||
[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:31, 12 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
:That's expected, so no.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 04:09, 12 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
== A little problem with adding side game data == | |||
I noticed that this page and Ivysaur's were the only ones that had Battle Trozei data and the rest didn't. I decided to add that to the pages but then I noticed none of them, not even this one, have data on Rumble U and Rumble World. I wanted to add that as well, but there's no template for these games. I was going to create them by just copying and pasting the Rumble or Rumble Blast one, but I can't edit those, so I cant' do it. Can an admin create the templates? [[User:TepiGreninja|TepiGreninja]] ([[User talk:TepiGreninja|talk]]) 22:57, 2 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:We're holding off on Rumble U and Rumble World for now until we know more about the games and what information should go on the templates. But for now, please feel free to add the Battle Trozei data to the Pokémon pages. --[[User:Carmenstar97|<span style="color:#95EB5C">Carmen<small>★</small></span>]] <small>''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|<span style="color:#FEBEE8">(Talk |</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|<span style="color:#A6DAFC">contribs)</span>]]''</small> 00:34, 3 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::I'm pretty sure that Rumble U and Rumble World only need the stats like the other two Rumble games, but 'kay. I guess I'll add just the Battle Trozei data for the time being. [[User:TepiGreninja|TepiGreninja]] ([[User talk:TepiGreninja|talk]]) 23:39, 3 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::If you want to try creating a user page or something with what you know, we (or anyone) could easily reference it once we make the necessary templates. We might even be able to put it in the mainspace as its own list page (maybe, I don't know). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:42, 3 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::Nah, that's not necessary. See how Pokémon Rumble and Rumble Blast have the attack, defense and speed stats represented by these dots? The only thing that's needed is two more templates that are exactly the same, but with a different name. [[User:TepiGreninja|TepiGreninja]] ([[User talk:TepiGreninja|talk]]) 00:34, 4 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::I wouldn't say it's that easy. In World at least, the Attack/Defense/Speed approximations are impossible to see in-game, and if they still exist in there, I haven't seen anywhere that's datamined them. Sure, if the format is the same, many of them are likely similar, but what if they added in the Gen VI base stat buffs from the core series and that changed the data on some Pokemon? If we just assumed, we could potentially spread misinformation. Additionally, we'd lack data on every Gen VI Pokemon, as well as newer alternate forms that have different stats like Megas/Primals. Since newer forms with differing stats aren't accounted for in the template, it would need to be adjusted slightly as well, so it wouldn't just be a total copy and paste. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 01:09, 4 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::TepiGreninja, let me suggest this then: until we do actually create those templates, why don't you just add code for them ''as if they exist'', and leave it commented out in HTML comments? Then all we'll have to do is uncomment it. | |||
::::::(To be plain, I'm trying to suggest an option where, if you fall off the face of the earth before (for whatever reason) we make the template, we're not stuck with nothing to add anyway if no one else has this data available. I know I don't know any easy place to find it. If you have the games and this data, then we'd be very happy if you share it in ''some'' form.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:38, 4 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I found a page that had stats for the Gen I Pokémon in Rumble World and assumed it had stats for every one, but then I clicked to see the other gens, and it is lacking the stats for some of the Unova legendaries and the Kalos ones. This most likely means that the stats for the Pokémon that do have them are only there because the person assumed they didn't change. So yeah, creating the templates would be useless for now. Sorry for not noticing that earlier and wasting your time. XD [[User:TepiGreninja|TepiGreninja]] ([[User talk:TepiGreninja|talk]]) 21:11, 4 August 2016 (UTC) | |||