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:On a quick look down the Move Tutor list, it appears that only 20 Pokémon are incapable of learning the move. It might be more effective to list those that CANNOT learn the move. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:26, 11 November 2013 (UTC) | :On a quick look down the Move Tutor list, it appears that only 20 Pokémon are incapable of learning the move. It might be more effective to list those that CANNOT learn the move. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:26, 11 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
::Hmm, not really sure on this. Listing Pokémon that can't learn it would probably confuse users, even if there was a sentence stating so (users are bound to miss it, I just know it). I'll discuss it with the staff, and let you know what we'll do.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 06:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC) | ::Hmm, not really sure on this. Listing Pokémon that can't learn it would probably confuse users, even if there was a sentence stating so (users are bound to miss it, I just know it). I'll discuss it with the staff, and let you know what we'll do.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 06:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::On the same page, they already do that with TMs. I understand what you're saying as I have to read it twice myself; the note makes no refverence to only Generation I which is the only generation with a matching TM. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
Any update yet? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Questioning This == | |||
I have come across an edit by [[User:El shendee|El_shendee]] (specifically, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Outrage_%28move%29&diff=2017464&oldid=2013631 this] edit) and noticed that the user - a new user from all appearances - has gone ahead and updated a lot of move pages with data that we cannot confirm has actually been confirmed (see [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/El_shendee contributions]). Having been independently confirming moves already, I know that just listing every single user as automatically learning the same move at the same level is not a safe thing to do as it may result in inaccurate and incorrect information. | |||
I wanted to reach out to you to ask whether it would be wise for me to undo all of these edits in light of having already found some differing levels (see my past edits, I've often noted them in the edit comment), thus allowing those researching independently to confirm them individually again. I believe this is an enthusiastic new user who thinks he is helping but is instead hindering the ability to independently verify information. I'm actually about to use a Ditto I have in my possession to start breeding babies and thus allow me to verify a lot of move data at once; while it's possible this user may have also done so, I question whether this is indeed the case. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:19, 16 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:On reflection, I've gone ahead and undid the edit for the linked edit earlier ([[Outrage (move)|Outrage]]) and made a second edit with my updated information on one confirmed user in order to keep things clean. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
::My advice would be to ask them on their talk page, which you've already done. If they don't answer, ask again or go to an admin, which you've already done. If you are entirely sure (read: You've checked with your own game and noticed that his edits are indeed wrong), then go ahead an revert and explain on their talk age why you reverted them.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 03:06, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::Alrighty. =) I have looked a little more at the edits and noted that legendaries and rare others not yet available have been exempted, which suggests maybe they have been researched, but it still seems strange that someone would edit all of the pages like that so quickly. For all I know, he was pulling the data and keeping logs before actually submitting them. I'm keeping my own list of moves from pages he's updated (for instance, I just confirmed Twister for Gyarados at Lv.29, which is in his [[Twister (move)|Twister]] edit) and can replace those individually as confirmed after reverting any edits. Naturally, the reason it seemed strange is due to updating certain moves, but other movelists (see [[Double-Edge (move)|Double-Edge]] for instance) haven't been touched that have a LOT more users, some of whom are on the other lists. Due to the nature of updating, it suggests data being taken from Serebii and added just like that. | |||
:::Ironically, when I find a new level-up figure, I also look at Serebii and find that it confirms my finding. Therefore, my data is sometimes double-confirmed, once by me and once by Serebii. | |||
:::Speaking of Double-Edge, any update on that yet? I had another two-try edit that eventually saved since I asked about that. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:18, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
::::SnorlaxMonster has told me that he'll decrease the sub-template usage, which probably are the cause of the problem. Don't know when he'll do it, but he'll probably get to it. --[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 04:35, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::::I'll keep an eye out for that, then. In the meantime, I'll keep my eyes peeled for any other move pages causing problems. I'm getting a full box to Lv.60 and then baby breeding will begin (with a Ditto who will likely be beyond Lv.60 by then). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:47, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Friend Safari as a location == | |||
I've been having edits reverted concerning adding the Friend Safari as a location for otherwise unobtainable Pokémon in X & Y, most recently on the pages of {{p|Magmar}} and {{p|Munna}}. I can't be bothered edit warring over it but there's a discussion going on on the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Friend_Safari#Pok.C3.A9mon_not_obtainable_anywhere_but_the_Friend_Safari Friend Safari page]. Could I please get some input on this? I can't see why we wouldn't list a Pokémon's possible location and imply it's completely unobtainable, especially when we continue to have Dream World locations on pages after the Dream World itself has closed down. - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 03:26, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Because the Pokémon that appear in the Friend Safari is dependent on your friend, it is not fixed unlike the other Safari Zones.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 03:40, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
::The Hoenn starters in Gen V were based off a random serial code, yet they're still listed on the Pokémon's page. Why is it better to act as if these Pokémon can't be found whatsoever in Gen VI through any means? If someone looks at a page and sees that a Pokémon is Trade only, that's what they're going to assume, and pre Pokébank, what's to stop someone assuming that this Pokémon they see on Wi-Fi(that's only available in Gen V and before, according to its page) is hacked in? - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 03:53, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::My suggestion is that any Pokémon catchable in a Friend Safari is notated as such, perhaps with a note stating that the Pokémon in each friend's Safari is random and is based on friend code. Thus, all 216 Pokémon (guessing there are 12 of each of the 18 types, some may be fewer) would be listed as Friend Safari with a note explaining the circumstances, and that listing is identical for all 216. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
::::The hoenn starters have Poke Transfer listed. And Dreamworld has its own tab (as in, its not under BW/B2W2; see {{p|Venonat}}). We're not listing them because they're technically {{tt|all|Not too sure about all, but a majority}} are available, it depends on your friends. I think what you suggested Cyclone would probably be best left at the friend safari page.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 04:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::::My point with the Hoenn starters was that the event itself was at least listed on the page ''somewhere'', as opposed to the Friend Safari which is not mentioned at any point on their pages (which itself is incomprehensive). I agree that this should still be sorted out on the Friend Safari discussion itself. - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 04:56, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
::::::Yeah, I copied what I said here word for word to that discussion (and added something else to a second discussion). The conversation has continued from there with more people supporting having the reference on each page. We'll see. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:45, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
==Amourshipping page== | |||
Hey, thanks for locking the Serena page. The user Midnight Moon keeps reverting back to his/her edits and it was rather irritating to fix ^__^;; But I was wondering if you could also protect the Amourshipping page from him/her. That user has been trying to get the Ash's Hints section changed to his/her way over and over again... [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] ([[User talk:Mooites|talk]]) 05:10, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Ah, it seems Midnight Moon has stopped undoing the edits. Never mind :) [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] ([[User talk:Mooites|talk]]) 05:14, 17 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Inverse Battle == | |||
Excuse me, nobody has been responding to my request. I have noticed that on the Gen VI page, inverse battles are not with the new battle formats. Is it that I am wrong and that it is not new? If it is new, can you please add it in? That would be appreciated. [[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 06:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Sorry for the late reply, my internet decided to not stay connected at all times. Inverse battls is a thing, its just that no one has gotten around to make it. You can make a draft on your userpage and we'll (as in admins) look into it. If you want to create the draft page, create it under ''User:Darkmaster/Inverse Battle''.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 09:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
== episode errors == | |||
Nitpicking doesn't have nothing to do with animation lines, shadow and more. Nitpicking is when someone is adding a wrong picture. Axew's tusk on its haves shadow, that's for sure. But in Anime sometimes, its tusk don't have shadow at all, and more, animation lines are drawn with little black color, not more of it! Moreover, they're just making mistakes here, that's why. Do you think nitpicking some errors that doesn't have nothing to do must be rejected? Of course I believe it, but you're right. I'm just nitpicking. Sorry for bothering you, I hope you understand what I did. '''''[[User:Pikachu65|<span style="color:Green;">--Pikachu</span>]][[User talk:Pikachu65|<span style="color:Green;">65</span>]]''''' 19:34, 20 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:No. Nitpicking is when someone takes something insignificant and criticize it. Such as the darker animation line. It was probably intentional as to make Clemont and Bonnie appear closer to the camera as the scene involves them, not everything else.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 03:28, 21 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
That's right. It's not an error, so it doesn't belong to error, just to Bonnie file. '''''[[User:Pikachu65|<span style="color:Green;">--Pikachu</span>]][[User talk:Pikachu65|<span style="color:Green;">65</span>]]''''' 09:32, 21 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Moveheader/Level (Template) == | |||
Forgive me, but I've inquired of two other users to comment on the Template talk page and neither has (one was SnorlaxMonster who elsewhere since then). The template needs some work done to it. See my talk page post referencing Confusion, Nasty Plot, and Belch - tables which are all the exact same width but look completely different. Confusion looks too smushed, Belch looks like a waste of space. Is there any chance that the table structure can be redone so that the generation columns are the set width instead of the main header? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:53, 21 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Dynamic Navigation Box == | |||
Do you know how to make a template which I think is called a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Dynamic_navigation_box| Dynamic Navigation Box]. I was wondering the coding to make it on Bulbapedia. Thanks. ----[[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:Navy">Ethan</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Ethan|<span style="Black">Talk</span>]])''</small> 22:13, 15 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Creating a category for the legendary duos == | |||
Hello, Force Fire. I wanted to know if it would be alright with you to create {{redlink|Category:Legendary duo Pokémon}} and {{redlink|Category:Legendary duos}} for the legendary duos as you were the user who deleted the dormer category. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:00, 30 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Whilst I wouldn't oppose it, the only reason I deleted it was because the user who made it did not discuss his idea with other users and the staff. And I think another grey area would be groups like the Weather trio or the Force of nature as some consider them trios while some consider them duos (with a master).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 03:14, 31 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
==Bad formatting in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Charizard_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=2048405 my edit]== | |||
I apparently used bad formatting in that sprite box. The "bad edit" message showed up, so I removed the space ( ) I put between the FR/LG sprites to spread them out slightly. The message didn't stop my edit again, so I thought all was well. I submitted it and looked at again, and the edit is now tagged as bad. The only other thing I can think of is the extra "<br>" I added, also for spacing. Could you fix whatever I did wrong? Someone else may do so by the time you see this, though. --<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">The</font>]]Very[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="white">Best</font>]]</span></font> 17:45, 31 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Not sure what you did wrong, as it looked correct. All I did was change the coding around and it appeared to be good.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 03:10, 1 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
== If you can get me a big parseable list of '''[[side-effects]]''', or a handful of them, I can script it == | |||
As it is, I'd have to grab tables from, like, everywhere, and with a bot. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 04:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
:There are categories of side effects and in them they list moves that cause the side effect. You have to do this manually, you can't just expect there to be a list done for you elsewhere or a bot to do it for you. You have to do it yourself. And the way you bolded "side effects", I perceive that you simply cannot be bothered to put the effort of doing it yourself. I would do it if my internet weren't ungodly slow.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 04:15, 3 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
::Er, who said anything about laziness? I'm assuming I can't just run a bot on Bulbapedia as a regular user. I'm ''offering'' to add existing data to the tables, after already merging three other tables, and I hardly think that deserves an accusation of "lazy". I bolded "side effects" to indicate that that's the page we're talking about. | |||
::I was posting here because I assumed you were more familiar with the wiki and perhaps would have more information or a better plan than what I had in mind. If there was a list somewhere, I would be doing a lot of work for no reason. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 11:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
:::Heh, sorry if I came off as harsh there. Slow internet, it gets to you sometimes. I'm actually not sure if there are pages with table listing side effects, I just know of the categories. But I guess status condition pages would list moves that will cause them. Again, apolgies if I sounded harsh.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 11:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC) | |||