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== I have a question for you regarding my user page. ==
== I have a question for you regarding my user page. ==
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While editing the [[Twitch Plays Pokémon]] page, I noticed that it was using a new form of Party template created by you, as well as a variation for Tag battles. I wanted to know if there's a reason why these new templates aren't being rotated in. Since their last edits were December 6th, I would assume they would be finished by now? - [[User:Chosen|<span style="color:#F85888">Chosen</span>]] <span style="color:#6890F0">of</span> [[User talk:Chosen|<span style="color:#F8D030">Mana</span>]] 13:30, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
While editing the [[Twitch Plays Pokémon]] page, I noticed that it was using a new form of Party template created by you, as well as a variation for Tag battles. I wanted to know if there's a reason why these new templates aren't being rotated in. Since their last edits were December 6th, I would assume they would be finished by now? - [[User:Chosen|<span style="color:#F85888">Chosen</span>]] <span style="color:#6890F0">of</span> [[User talk:Chosen|<span style="color:#F8D030">Mana</span>]] 13:30, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
:The new templates are complete and ready to replace the old template. We're going to be organizing a full-on replacement project very soon. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 19:58, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
:The new templates are complete and ready to replace the old template. We're going to be organizing a full-on replacement project very soon. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 19:58, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
::I don't suppose the current stream of edits to party templates are part of this project? If so, would it be possible to apply these new templates to party "pools" like the NPC player characters from [[Generation V]] and [[Miror B.]]? - [[User:Chosen|<span style="color:#F85888">Chosen</span>]] <span style="color:#6890F0">of</span> [[User talk:Chosen|<span style="color:#F8D030">Mana</span>]] 15:15, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
:::The large-scale replacement of {{template|party}} is the project. All uses of the old template outside the userspace & all talkspaces should be replaced with the new single or tag variants. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 20:43, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
== Question about the new Party template ==
So, while I noticed alot of people are changing the old party template to the new one, I figured I'd give it a shot, but decided to test it out in my own userspace so I could be confident I knew what I was doing and wouldn't break anything in the mainspace. Well, that didn't work. I encountered an issue, and no matter how many times I look between it and a correctly changed version, I can't figure out why this happens. As per [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Schiffy/Teams&curid=179933&diff=2076727&oldid=1929015 this edit summary], me trying to change it caused all 6 Pokémon to appear on the same row instead of two rows of three, and I do not understand what I am missing. I even tried to do it on a mainspace page (without saving), and it still happens (On a party with 5 Pokémon instead of 6, they all show up on ''different'' rows, even weirder.....). I hate to be a pest, but if you do see something I'm missing, please feel free to tell me so I can start helping out with the Party to Party/Single change. regards, [[User:Schiffy|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Schiffy (瀬藤健二)</span>]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) <span style="cursor:help;" title="This is when my words were heard">23:05,2/18/2014 (UTC)</span>
:You need to put a call of {{template|Party/Div}} between the third and fourth Pokémon. The div template has only one parameter "color" which should match the "color" parameter in [[Template:Party/Single|single template]], or the "color2" parameter in the [[Template:Party/Tag|tag template]]. Instructions for using the new party templates can be found on the respective header's talk page. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 23:13, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
::Thank you. That fixed everything. So simple yet I missed it..... *sigh* Well, now I know. [[User:Schiffy|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Schiffy (瀬藤健二)</span>]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) <span style="cursor:help;" title="This is when my words were heard">23:17,2/18/2014 (UTC)</span>
== Moveentrytm ==
Hello! {{u|Crystal Talian}} directed me here, saying you're better with templates than her. Could you update [[Template:Moveentrytm]]? The Forces of Nature's respective Incarnate Forms link to a nonexistent header on the [[Form differences]] page. It's attempting to go to the header named 'Kami trio,' but the header on the page is called 'Forces of Nature.' I would change the link myself, but I'm not an administrator. Thanks in advance. --[[User:FireGambit|<span style="color:DarkSlateGray;">'''FireGambit'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FireGambit|<span style="color:Gray;">'''talk'''</span>]])</small> 04:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
:Fixed. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 04:14, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
== "Obscene Usernames" ==
So, I've run into a bit of a problem concerning a friend of mine. He made an account just today, attempted to edit, and was hit by Abuse Filter 2 (I'm currently talking to him over Skype, and neither of us understand why). The name he made was "[[User talk:Scorched Convict|Scorched Convict]]", which I don't really understand how that would fall under "Obscene Usernames". Is there anything that can be done about this? (If he simply needs to change the name he created, I can ask him what he wants to change it to and tell you if he can't make edits). [[User:Schiffy|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Schiffy (瀬藤健二)</span>]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) <span style="cursor:help;" title="This is when my words were heard">03:02,2/22/2014 (UTC)</span>
:I just checked the abuse filter logs, and the filter triggered was not related to usernames. Nothing to worry about there. The filter that was triggered, however, appears to be activating when it shouldn't be. I'll pass the report on for repair, and I'll let you know here when things should be fixed. Thanks for letting me know. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 03:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
::Alright thanks. At least this means it's en route to being fixed. And congrats on the EIC position. [[User:Schiffy|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Schiffy (瀬藤健二)</span>]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) <span style="cursor:help;" title="This is when my words were heard">03:45,2/22/2014 (UTC)</span>
:::The filter should be fixed now, and thank you very much. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 11:31, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
== The welcome messages ==
Kogoro, what users I'm allowed to welcome so I must check a new user's edit before welcoming them? --[[User:Cinday123|<span style="color:pink">Cinday123</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Cinday123|<span style="color:lightblue">Talk</span>]])''</small> 03:52, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
:Like Schiffy said on your talk page, it's best to wait for the user to make a contribution and only welcome them if the contribution isn't questionable or violates the rules. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 04:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
== Major Clean-up ==
PokéLand, the Portuguese site for Pokémon was completely shutdown sometime ago (around 2012!). Every single link in there in the pages here in Bulbapedia are broken, I must say that couldn't expect less, the site was horrible and few people worked on it, it was very low on a wikia standards and this filial is with Bulbapedia, an encyclopedia.
My point is: I propose to eliminate those links from all pages who link to that site, there are simply no point of them being there, including the one in the main page. They are in most (if not all) Pokémon pages from Gens I-V, in all of the main characters from anime and a few episodes along with the movies, their extent to the manga is unknown to my knowledge, but there are many pages who need this removal. I would do this alone, but there are too much for me to handle and also I don't know where to start.--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 01:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
:We'll look into this. If the links need to be removed, BulbaBot should be able to do it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 06:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
== Other Languages ==
Hi. I've only recently joined Bulbapedia, but while I was editing the Other Languages section of some articles, I noticed that there isn't much consistency for naming or romanization. Maybe it's just me, but I think that the articles should at least have some sort of guideline for adding name origin and meaning (for the major languages, not just [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Romanization|Japanese]]). Also, since what I'm doing right now is mainly cleaning up the languages section, I think there should be a category or list on the Editor's Hub addressing articles that need language-related improvement (it's a pain searching through every single article just to find translations/origins to add), and if possible a project on languages as well. In fact the to-do list could be added to the Project Languages page.
I'm an American-born Korean, and while I don't really like Korean (in fact I hate it, it's a really complicated and cluttered language), I still do feel a sense of pride whenever I contribute Korean to an English wiki (speaking of which, is this an American-English or European-English site?).
Oh, and I hope you don't feel that this is too trivial to be addressed. :) [[User:AegeanKnight|AegeanKnight]] ([[User talk:AegeanKnight|talk]]) 09:43, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
:When that policy page was made, I don't believe we covered Korean names as much as we do now, and the page is a little out of date as. We'll look into romanization guidelines for Korean information, and get that added to our policies as soon as possible. Other languages will also be looked into.
:As for categorizing where in other language entries are missing, it's likely not reasonable to do, it would require far too many calls of rather resource heavy condition statements. With the mass of pages that the template is included in, all of those condition statements would probably cause more problems than the idea is intended to fix.
:I don't think there's much need for a specialized languages project as we already have {{bp|Project Globe}} which covers global content. The "In other languages" sections would more than reasonably fall under the scope of that project.
:Bulbapedia is written in American English in the main content spaces. Both American and Commonwealth English are fine in the userspace and on talk pages.
:I hope that helps. If you have any other questions or concerns, please let me know. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 12:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for clarifying. I guess I could just join Project Globe or "freelance" if I want. Not to mention fixing my "perfectionism" issues, lol. [[User:AegeanKnight|AegeanKnight]] ([[User talk:AegeanKnight|talk]]) 13:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
== Typo in template ==
[[Template:Rotating art]] has a typo in it. The last sentence should have "click" right after the comma. I can't edit the page myself, so could you or someone else fix this? [[User:Neal Cruco|Neal Cruco]] ([[User talk:Neal Cruco|talk]]) 01:42, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:{{u|Force Fire}} has fixed it. Thanks for letting us know. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 06:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
== Another image that hasn't updated.  ==
First off, thanks for fixing the other image, it seems to be fine now.  There is one other image that I also uploaded: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:YGlitchNameC1.png YGlitchNameC1.png] ([[a:file:YGlitchNameC1.png|archives]]).  Just letting you know, hopefuly you can fix it.  --[[User:Pokechu22|Pokechu22]] ([[User talk:Pokechu22|talk]]) 05:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
:Should be fixed now. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 17:29, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
== Extension the limit of the error images ==
Hello. I was wondering if you extended the limit of the error images up to 25. I know five images is enough, but that's not enough, really. The other sites have the images limited up to 50, but why this site isn't limited because of five? 15 or 20 that is enough, but why five? Could it be that five images is more than 20? Or five is a lucky number? I don't think so. That's why we need this limit extension. Pikachu65 09:53, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
:What sites have a limit of 50? Provide examples, please. The error image limit is 5 because we don't need to bog the pages down with unnecessary images of super-minor errors, and that isn't changing. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 03:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
::Like Wikia, it haves more error pics and no other site. Pikachu65 17:09, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
:::We are nothing like Wikia, nor do we strive to be like them. We have higher standards. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 22:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
== Some rules with the Code of Conduct ==
Okay, I'm not sure if this is covered in the Code of Conduct section or somewhere on the site but I noticed some non-staff members have given me a hard time for messing up with certain articles even though I only did it one time and for things that I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to do such as tagging a userspace article for deletion (not the userspace itself) and dealing with some different Japanese stuff. Most recently, it happened [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f280/four-winners-announced-sendai-tournament-sendai-tournament-winners-163778/ here] when a user, Adamant, was bullying and giving me a hard time. It also happened on Bulbapedia/Archives prior to that recent incident. Hopefully, these rules would prevent other users not in staff from doing the same thing in the future. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 23:57, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
:If something like that happens to you on the forums again, just report the post & the staff of that forum will handle the issue. I can assure you that appropriate action has been taken regarding Adamant's actions against you. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 01:17, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
::Thank you. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 01:32, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
== Template edit requests... ==
On the talk pages for the templates...
*[[Template:Shopitem]]
*[[Template:PDollar]]
*[[Template:Data structure]]
...I have requested that simple edits be made. To be honest, the one I'm most concerned about is just Shopitem. But despite a few attempts to draw staff attention, I've gotten no response of any sort. So this time I'm appealing directly to you to please edit these templates (or, at the very least, Shopitem). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:51, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
:The first two templates are heavy use, so they'll have to wait until a low traffic period tonight. As for the third, is there any reason you felt it was proper to split a large segment off of another article with absolutely ''no discussion attempt'' on the original article's talk page? - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 00:44, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
::Be assured: there was reason. In part, the data structure pages are pretty apparently low interest overall, so I feared I wouldn't get any discussion (or never enough to "count"). (And to be clear, I did, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Save_data_structure_in_Generation_III&diff=2092858&oldid=2088212 in my way], try to start a discussion, even if I might have been naive to think merely doing that was or should have been enough.)
::More importantly, though: there's ZERO reason the character encoding should be confined to the save data structure page and plentiful reason for it to be its own page. Because the save data structure is not - not by a long shot - the only place that uses the character encoding. In particular, [[Pokémon data structure in Generation III]] uses it; I'm also pretty confident the Item, Pokedex, and Frontier structures use it too but I haven't actually checked those myself at this moment. The character encoding information simply does not "belong" on the save data structures page. I imagine it was merely convenient, at the time.
::I don't think I was wrong to make the decision I did, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. I think I made a good judgement, and I think that's enough. Am I wrong about either of those things?
::I do intend that the other sections about encoding on the other save data structure pages be split as well, but for the time being, I'm (kind of) trying to focus on Gen III data structures. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:38, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:::When adding a template like {{template|split}}, you should start the discussion on the talk page as well. Outlining your rationale for the changes will make it easier for people to agree or disagree with your thoughts. Edit summaries don't allow for detailed explanations.
:::I won't disagree that a split would be a good idea, however, whether an idea is good or not, or if the subject is high or low interest, doesn't mean it should not be given proper chance for discussion. This was a major split, and absolutely should have been discussed before being done. You should not have split the article until a proper discussion had taken place, nor was it your decision to make.
:::You're more than welcome to start discussions regarding splitting them. But please keep in mind that '''major changes need to be discussed'''. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 03:16, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
::::I would like a hard number then, if you please. What's the "proper" time for discussion? Is it too much to hope it's something less than a week? Please don't tell me it's more...
::::If no one has responded after the "proper" time, am I free to do as I please?
::::If one person immediately agrees can I do it? If one person immediately agrees and 24 hours have passed? ...48 hours? ...Or do I have to wait the whole "proper" time? Is there any sort of threshold of people who agree whereafter I could take immediate action? Say, if a dozen people agreed? More? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:34, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::There's no exact time that makes a discussion proper, but a discussion should be given at least a week or two to go somewhere. And a discussion shouldn't end until a reasonable consensus has been reached and the staff have been given time to review the idea and the discussion.
:::::If nobody has responded in the one to two week time, you should take the matter directly to a staff member. We have hundreds of edits per day, and we simply can't be absolutely everywhere all the time. Unfortunately, that means that an edit gets missed here and there.
:::::No. Even if there's an overwhelming or unopposed agreement to the change, the staff need to be alerted to the developments and allowed to give the changes a thorough look over. While it is rare, we have had discussions with overwhelming majorities wanting something that simply wasn't possible to do. The staff review is extremely important, especially for major changes. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 04:04, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::Can I not just take it immediately to a staff member then, so they can immediately (or sooner) turn it down if it's going to be turned down, or else give their blessing supposing others agree or no one comments? And who would be best? Just whoever is head of that section/subject? On their talk page? Or maybe I should try one of the forum threads (though I had little luck there for the templates above...). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::The reason for public discussions is to allow the public to voice their concerns or support regarding major change ideas. While the staff retains a level of editorial control, we want to do our best to live up to our motto "The community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia." While not everyone will get their way, they still deserve the chance to have their say. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 04:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::If a thing is going to be disapproved for incontravenable reasons anyway, then what exactly is the point of discussion? Why not know there's such a reason sooner rather than later? Is that too much to ask, at least? Just a "nothing blatantly problematic there" for starters?
::::::::Regardless of how you feel about me contacting staff early, let's just consider who I should contact at the "proper" time...''especially'' if there's been no comment. Again: just take it to whoever heads that subject? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::It's not reasonable to have a staff preview for every big idea. In general, if there's a significant issue with an idea, it will probably be caught pretty quickly after it's posted. We're putting significant effort into making it much more rare that an idea gets missed, including working through a backlog of ideas that got missed in the past.
:::::::::As for who to contact when a discussion has either gone stagnant or has finished discussion, you can really contact anyone on staff and they'll hand it forward if it's not something they have the authority to handle. If you'd prefer, however, you can contact the EB head of the relevant section, or you can contact {{u|Zesty Cactus}} or myself with it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#DA70D6;">Kogoro</span>''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<span class="sc" style="color:#FFB6C1;">Talk to me</span>''']] - 05:13, 3 April 2014 (UTC)