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Should these possible influences be considered and added to the article at some point? When it comes to design inspiration, most pages tend to take liberties, especially with the newer Pokémon. In any case, I felt the two observations were worth bringing up. [[User:Tindil|Tindil]] 19:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC) | Should these possible influences be considered and added to the article at some point? When it comes to design inspiration, most pages tend to take liberties, especially with the newer Pokémon. In any case, I felt the two observations were worth bringing up. [[User:Tindil|Tindil]] 19:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
:The Rock-Scissors-Paper thing makes a lot of sense to me. Seems like a valid connection.--[[User:Podunk|<span style="color:green">Po</span><span style="color:black">dunk</span>]] 07:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Different name? == | == Different name? == | ||
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Is someone approves of this move, say I. Since there are four members, its more likely. [[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] 10:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC) | Is someone approves of this move, say I. Since there are four members, its more likely. [[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] 10:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC) | ||
:I agree. Since it is debatable whether or not Keldeo is part of the trio, it is better to not mention it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | :I agree. Since it is debatable whether or not Keldeo is part of the trio, it is better to not mention it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | ||
::I guess there's a difference between "Musketeer Trio" and "The Three Musketeer". They are not a trio, but they are "The Three Musketeer", get it? I mean, the name "Three Musketeer" is about the original three and a friend who came after. Making a gross comparison, it's the same difference between United States of America and America's states united. The latter would be a union of all states all over the continent, and the first is a country's name, although not all states of the America got together to build a country. [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 22:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Can we just call them the "the Musketeers"? No "Legendary", no "trio", no "quartet", no "Muskedeers". There is nothing else in the series that can be called a "musketeer", thus is should not need a "Legendary" to differentiate them from anything else. They're special and unique enough that Musketeer is a big enough blanket term to cover all four of them, or all three of them. Birds are birds (half the flying class), beasts are beasts (most of the ground group), golems are {{p|Golem}}s. Since there will never be a consensus on the numbers, eliminate them. Since there hasn't been anything else based on the Musketeers, no need to separate them with a "Legendary" prefix, because it's obvious they're referring to the legendaries without having to call them that; if this changes in the future, you can talk about it then. But I say make this easy: just call them the Musketeers. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:18, 12 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
::I think Luna's thought is a good one, but if that doesn't work, I think the next best would be Legendary musketeers. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 23:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::I think just {{red link|musketeers}} works as well, but I also feel that it implies that they are human; however, the is just a minor complaint, and I would be happy with them at either musketeers or legendary musketeers, just as long as the title does not specify number. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::Not that I disagree with this, but the musketeers seem too...general to refer to them. "Legendary Musketeers" at least would highlight the fact they're legendaries. [[User:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000099">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''M'''</span>]] 09:36, 31 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::But why not musketeer quartet? They are with 4 members, and that is a quartet. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 18:20, 22 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
I concur we should move it to Legendary musketeers unless there is a confirmed trio master.Could Cobalion be the master you need to battle him before you can get the others. --[[User:Pokemonboy3000|Pokemonboy3000]] 05:51, 23 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Cobalion could be a trio master - I would consider him one - but he's also a part of the trio, which is in fact not a trio, but a quartet, which is the root of the problem. I'm in favor of Legendary Musketeers. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 16:19, 10 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
I agree with Luna. [[User:DeniedGrox|DeniedGrox]] 18:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
Move to [[Legendary musketeers]] supported. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 07:47, 17 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
==Les Trois Mousquetaires== | ==Les Trois Mousquetaires== | ||
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== Official source. based on a The Three Musketeers. == | == Official source. based on a The Three Musketeers. == | ||
It is being described by | It is being described by Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 19:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC) | ||
== types == | |||
There types may be refer to the homes of pokémon: rock for cave pokémon, grass for pokémon in the forest, woods or just tall grass, water for pokémon that life in lakes or in the sea and steel may be refer to pokémon that life in the city (like the trash cloak of wormadam). Nickvang 22:47 25 june 2011 | |||
== Keldeo is special == | |||
Keldeo is clearly sticking out. Its an "additional/extra/hidden" member of the legendary trio. | |||
--It is an event pokemon; not obtainable on the actual playthrough; one of those hidden ones at the end of the dex; It doesn't share the battle music because you don't even get to encounter it; You have to drive to a movie or download it via wifi at a specific month in the near future; This is glaringly obvious and causes facepalming. | |||
--It has a unique move which it does not share with the three that teach it: Secret Sword | |||
The unlocking method (bringing the legendary group to a certain place) has been used for making "additional members" of legendary groups appear several times: | |||
*Crystal: Beasts->Ho-oh | |||
*DPt: Lake guardians->dimension legendary | |||
*DP/Pt: golems->Regigigas / Regigigas->golems | |||
*HGSS: Weather duo->Rayquaza | |||
*BW: Kami demons->Harvest Kami | |||
-Even from a lore standpoint: It has not been with them from the start. | |||
The musketeers rescued the orphan from certain death, noticed its potential, and trained it, which surprisingly resulted in it rapidly growing as strong as them, which is when all they had left to teach it was a unique move for it. While it is indeed on par statwise with the trio, consider that it does this while lacking the adult and elegant design accompanied with that on the other three. | |||
Just because it doesn't fit the conventional fan-made term "trio master", does not mean you should force it into the group as a proper member and ignore it being the apprentice. If anything, the term "trio master" needs an update to additional group/duo/trio member. There might as well be weaker additional members someday for example anyway. | |||
--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 18:27, 14 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
:I wonder whether it gaining a "Resolution forme" will finally make the musketeers fit the legendary trio classification again?... Which is what they are, with or without Keldeos existence, they're as much of a trio as any other. Keldeo is the extra, not the norm. Event->unavailable in normal gameplay.... There has always been groups of legendaries that share an equal ammount of similarities, AND have a more special additional member :/ --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 07:28, 9 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Move == | |||
Will you please move this page to "Sacred swordsmen"? [[User:SaturnMario|<font color="#005000">SaturnMario</font>]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|<font color="#000050">his talk</font>]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|<font color="#500000">his contributions</font>]] 23:35, 26 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
:I think Legendary Musketeers is fine. Sacred Swordsmen is the Japanese name, and we generally go with the English name for the page title. [[User:MatchMaster|<font color="#b39f5a">MatchMaster</font>]] <font color="#b39f5a"><sup>([[User talk:MatchMaster|<font color="#b39f5a">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/MatchMaster|<font color="#b39f5a">Contribs</font>]])</sup></font> 00:38, 27 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
::I think it's better to just wait for the dub of [[M15]] to come out and see how TPCI will translate this. --[[User:神奇超龍|<font color="#2B547E">'''Chao'''</font>]]<sub><small>「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|超龍]]'''」</small></sub> 02:45, 27 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::My two cents: I understand that they are based on the Three Musketeers. Still, why are they actually called the Musketeer Trio (or Legendary Musketeers, whichever you prefer,) at all? A musketeer is a soldier equipped with a musket, and these Pokémon do not seem to be wielding muskets. If you're not interested in nitpicking the wording, the theme of RSE was centered around ecological balance, yet the legendary trio is not called the 'Ecological Trio'. Groudon and Kyogre comprise the Weather Duo, so named based upon the Pokémon, not what they represent. 'Sacred Swordsmen' seems to be based more on the Pokémon themselves. We could also do as the last post suggests. Regardless of the debate, I think referring to a Pokémon as a musketeer may simply send the wrong message. Here end my thoughts for the penny jar. [[User:SaxyOmega90125|SaxyOmega90125]] ([[User talk:SaxyOmega90125|talk]]) 04:03, 28 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::"Musketeer" may literally mean a soldier wielding a musket, but in common modern parlance it's rarely used except to refer to ''The Three Musketeers'', so I see no problem with keeping the current name until TPCI translates M15, and possibly beyond that indefinitely if, for some reason, the movie avoids translating the term. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:04, 28 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::If the movie avoids translating it, I would rather use "sacred swordsmen" (but I don't know how they would manage that). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:06, 28 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::::People, just because the ''Three Muskteers'' ''has "Three" in '''it doesn't mean''' its Three Musketeers'', their Japanese name ''is'' "Scared Swords Men", but lets keep the American Name. -[[User:Clubchloe1|<span style="color:red">'''Club'''</span>]][[User talk:Clubchloe1|<span style="color:blue">'''chloe'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Clubchloe1|<span style="color:green">'''1'''</span>]] 19:52, 5 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I think we should just wait until the dub name of the move is released. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ101]] ([[User talk:Satoshi101|talk]]) 00:58, 20 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Pokemon.com officially names the trio on the movie page as the Swords of Justice. While we should wait for the movie to be released since Pokemon.com has made mistakes before, as of now, Swords of Justice I think is the most official term used for them (similar to the Lake Guardians). [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 06:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::No. Swords of Justice is clearly the official English term. The title confirms that it's not a mistake. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 07:08, 18 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::Oh, right. Well there you go. We move to Swords of Justice, yes? It's official and everything. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 01:37, 19 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Question? == | |||
Just wondering. Why aren't the Swords of Justice categorized with the legendary trios again? [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 01:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
:{{p|Keldeo}}. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC) | |||
:: I thought we said that Keldeo was a "special" member. The exception. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 07:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC) | |||