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==spin off==
how is this "core series". you guys over gamefreak that much?[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 17:43, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon Stadium series]] uses "pocket monsters" too, is that also main series?[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 17:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
::Regardless of what fans think, if GameFreak says it is a core game then it is a core game. The language used in the trailer  plus the "Pocket Monsters" label all point to this being a core game. Different ≠ spin-off. --[[User:SpinyShell|SpinyShell]] ([[User talk:SpinyShell|talk]]) 18:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
:::do you have the actual quote that has them saying this though?[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 05:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
::::The [https://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/legends_arceus/ official website] referred to it as the newest work of the "Pocket Monsters" series, giving it the same treatment as Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl. As for Stadium, the [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_np3j/index.html official Nintendo site] classified it as its own separate series. --[[User:神奇超龍|<font color="#2B547E">'''超龍'''</font>]]<sub><small>「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」</small></sub> 07:06, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::Additionally, it's worth noting that Pokémon Stadium does not use "Pocket Monsters" in Japanese. That only appears in the English name displayed on the Japanese cover. Although how the official Japanese site classifies the games is much more important than the game's title anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
::::::This is CLEARLY a spinoff. It has its own new subtitle, just like "Pokémon Stadium", "Pokémon Mystery Dungeon", "Pokémon Ranger" and so forth. It doesn't match the concept of main series game on any level and no official source calls it a new main entry, they all just say it's a "new frontier" or something like that. The strongest evidence according to this discussion is "The language used in the trailer" and the "'Pocket Monsters' label", but the former is arguable and the latter is false: this game is officially called "Pokémon LEGENDS アルセウス" using the western name in Japanese, so it's as far from the official "'Pocket Monsters' label" as you can get.--[[User:Kombatgod|Kombatgod]] ([[User talk:Kombatgod|talk]]) 12:31, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
::::::That thing about the site classification too doesn't make sense: being a new high-budget game they'll obviously promote this more, but that doesn't necessarily make it part of the core series, and also that link to the official Pokémon Stadium site is counter-productive for the proposed argument since it straight up calls it "the definitive entry in the Pocket Monsters series" so according to the site that's the most core series ever! XD --[[User:Kombatgod|Kombatgod]] ([[User talk:Kombatgod|talk]]) 12:40, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::::"''no official source calls it a new main entry''": The official Japanese trailer and Japanese site both explicitly state that it is part of the main series (called the Pocket Monsters series in Japan). The official site refers to the game as 『ポケットモンスター』シリーズの新たな挑戦 ("A new challenge in the 'Pocket Monsters' series'"). The game does not include "Pocket Monsters" in its Japanese title like previous entries, but the official Japanese site makes sure to emphasize that it is in-fact part of the series so that people aren't confused by the absence of "Pocket Monsters" from the game's title.
:::::::It's worth noting that this game has several key differences from previous core series games, but it is nowhere near as different as the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon or Pokémon Ranger series. Pokémon Colosseum and XD might be a better comparison (which are also not core series games, but share many mechanics with them). But of course, that's irrelevant, because we have official confirmation that they are part of the core series.
:::::::Roserade57 was wrong about Pokémon Stadium including "Pocket Monsters" in its title, which I think has confused several people here. That is only used in the English title displayed on the Japanese cover; it is not actually included in the Japanese title. The linked Japanese site says that Pokémon Stadium GS (Japanese Pokémon Stadium 2) is the definitive game in the Pokémon Stadium series (ポケスタシリーズ ''PokéSta series'')—Google Translate gets this wrong, but that's why you always need to be very careful how you use it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 15:31, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Being as no one has made a particularly convincing argument yet, why don't we be reasonable about it and compromise? (I realize I'm probably the last person to make a convincing point about reasonable solutions, but hear me out.) I propose we leave the "core series" designation on the page with a [citation needed] notice, and leave the actual determination to when the game comes out and we can judge it on its own merits instead of its advertisement. If Legends has connectivity with the existing core series (Pokémon Bank, or battle/trade capability with BDSP/SwSh), it's at least as much a core series game as Let's Go. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|<font color="black">Giratina's Embodiment</font>]] <small>- [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|<font color="black">Please don't hurt us...</font>]]</small> 18:33, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
:SnorlaxMonster has already said it above: "The official Japanese trailer and Japanese site both explicitly state that it is part of the main series". We don't need to decide for ourselves-- we've already been given the answer by word of god. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#44BAE5">cela</span><span style="color:#DA7D99">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 20:58, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

But the point made is self-contradictory. "A new challenge in the Pocket Monsters series" and "the definitive entry in the Pocket Monsters series" are both associated statements towards games that do not include "Pocket Monsters" in their title. What's wrong with compromising until we have something a little more substantial, like the game itself, or at least a developer interview? {{unsigned|Giratina's Embodiment}} 00:35, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

:There is no contradiction. That was a mistranslation. The one for definitive entry refers to Pokémon '''Stadium''' series, not the Pocket Monsters series. 
:As I've mentioned, it's been outright stated that it's the "newest work of the 'Pocket Monsters' series" (『ポケットモンスター』シリーズ最新作). --[[User:神奇超龍|<font color="#2B547E">'''超龍'''</font>]]<sub><small>「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」</small></sub> 01:08, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

So you guys are going to operate on assumptions based on the announcement released a year in advance, without any attempt at flexibility? And compromising to actually regard the game on its own merits rather than what is said about it is 100% off the table? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|<font color="black">Giratina's Embodiment</font>]] <small>- [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|<font color="black">Please don't hurt us...</font>]]</small> 01:21, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

:It's not an assumption when it's already stated in the official website. Core series is defined by how official sources refer to the game. It would be speculative to say otherwise. Besides, the page will still be updated accordingly as more information becomes available. --[[User:神奇超龍|<font color="#2B547E">'''超龍'''</font>]]<sub><small>「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」</small></sub> 01:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Official refusal of compromise acknowledged. You've already driven the bus off a cliff; if you're this determined to set it on fire before it lands, don't say nobody tried to stop you.

On a related note, this wiki needs a more convenient means to respond to sections in a talk page above the latest one. I keep going for the "add a comment" button out of muscle memory. Is there any way to expand the "[edit this page] [+]" to the individual sections? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|<font color="black">Giratina's Embodiment</font>]] <small>- [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|<font color="black">Please don't hurt us...</font>]]</small> 02:11, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
:I don't really see room for "compromise" here personally. There has been information released about the games, and so it goes in the article. It's not exactly up to us to decide whether their classification of their own games is valid.

:If for whatever reason the Pokemon Company changes their mind and decides that Legends: Arceus is not a core series game between now and release, we can easily just edit the article to reflect that. Until then, all we can do is go off of what they've said. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#44BAE5">cela</span><span style="color:#DA7D99">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 02:35, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

==Prequel==
If I speculated it, Pokémon Legends: Arceus is the prequel to [[Pokémon Diamond Version]] and [[Pokémon Pearl Version]] as well their [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond|re]][[Pokémon Shining Pearl|make]] and those two main characters are the ancestors of Lucas and Dawn. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 04:49, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Hate to break it to you, Samueljoo, but speculation is verboten on this wiki and I hope I didn't catch you in the middle of trying to add that to any mainspace pages. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|<font color="black">Giratina's Embodiment</font>]] <small>- [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|<font color="black">Please don't hurt us...</font>]]</small> 14:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

== Subtitle ==

So, just as a curiosity, does anyone know of aught ''else'' that has the title "Pokémon Legends"? Because the presence of a subtitle... raises implications. And I'd like to make sure that's not a disambiguation on the part of the Pokémon Company before I get my hopes up. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|<font color="black">Giratina's Embodiment</font>]] <small>- [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|<font color="black">Please don't hurt us...</font>]]</small> 10:51, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
:this is the first title in surely a series of [[User:LetsPlayNintendoITA|LetsPlayNintendoITA]] ([[User talk:LetsPlayNintendoITA|talk]]) 14:13, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't know so much about 'surely', but thank you for confirming that there's no existing items under the name "Pokémon Legends". {{unsigned|Giratina's Embodiment}}

== Core series? ==

Can somebody explain why is this considered a core series game despite not matching the definition on pretty much any level? It features new gameplay and a completely new type of setting, and also the title "Legends" indeed seems to imply a potential new subseries, with future games set in different regions with different legendary and stuff, in case this is a success. I couldn't even find a single official source calling it a main entry, they all say it's a "new frontier" for the series or that it honors Pokémon "core gameplay" while adding action-RPG elements or something like that, which pretty much explains why it's NOT a core series game. Am I missing something?--[[User:Kombatgod|Kombatgod]] ([[User talk:Kombatgod|talk]]) 12:18, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
:How did I miss the previous discussion? I'll answer there.--[[User:Kombatgod|Kombatgod]] ([[User talk:Kombatgod|talk]]) 12:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== Player NPC ==

''"For the first time in a new game since Pokémon X and Y, the player character that is not selected appears in the story as an NPC."''<br>
Two problems with this quote. First, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire too had player character NPC and the same goes for Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl. So IMO, this line should be removed, because if it isn't outright wrong, it's at least confusing.
[[User:Horn|Horn]] ([[User talk:Horn|talk]]) 11:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

== Shiny Charm ==

The Shiny charm is obtained by getting the entire dex minus the mythicals to level ten for research yet the way the shiny charm is mentioned makes it seem like you get it immediately after beating arceus which is not true so why does it not say that anywhere on the page? [[User:Chomper07|Chomper07]] ([[User talk:Chomper07|talk]]) 19:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:The article mentions that the Shiny Charm is the reward for completing the Pokédex. Placing it after Arceus was just for convenience's sake. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:52, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
::Yes i am aware that it is after arceus for convenices sake but the requirement for getting the charm is different than the requirement for battleing arceus [[User:Chomper07|Chomper07]] ([[User talk:Chomper07|talk]]) 20:34, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

== Why are we treating this like a core series game? ==

It's completely different from the actual core series. The battles are different, the style is different, and even the attacks are different. Hell, you can't even battle other people. Why are we treating this like a core series game? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 03:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:Read the previous discussion regarding this. It doesn't matter if the game has a different gameplay style, if Game Freak says it's core series, then it's core series.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 05:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

== Postgame Pokémon Availability ==

Hi, I just added trivia to the main page regarding requirements to encounter a certain Pokémon in the postgame. However, I don't know how to add a spoiler tag, let alone to the middle of a section. I could use some pointers on adding spoiler tags. Thank you.{{unsigned|IMDCombee}}
:The locations (and requirements, if any) of Pokémon are added in the locations template on the individual articles, which a majority are already added.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 15:46, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
It's a few months later now, and a lot of locations are still not added to the Pokémon pages.(I looked at [[Spheal]], [[Gible]] & [[Budew]], they all miss the locations) Maybe we must add the rest? [[User:CrazyPikmin|CrazyPikmin]] ([[User talk:CrazyPikmin|talk]]) 07:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

== "In which the original form of a regional form Pokémon is unobtainable" ==

I see this trivia item being added and deleted back and forth:

* This is the only core series game:
** In which the original form of a [[regional form]] Pokémon is unobtainable, even by transfer.
*** The only Pokémon with a Hisuian Form whose original form is available is {{p|Sneasel}}.

So I suggest we settle this.

I vote for it to stay. Yes, we have two exceptions (Sneasel and Vulpix) but they don't cancel the fact that this is the first game where we have '''at least one''' species which is '''only''' available in its regional form while the original form is not even present in the game's code. Qwilfish, Growlithe, Voltorb, Zorua, Avalugg, the starters' final evolutions...

[[User:SaniOKh|SaniOKh]] ([[User talk:SaniOKh|talk]]) 08:37, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

:It's unimportant information. When you you make an exception for three Pokémon and have to list them out individually, then it starts to seem so much like not an exception and makes it way more wordier than it needs to be, "this thing is only true except for when you include this, that and this." If that's the situation, it shouldn't need a list and seems like it's not true. It contradicts with itself and shows that there is more than there actually are. It's not just two Pokémon either, it's three, as you have to account for Ninetales as well, this is an important distinction because some Pokémon evolve into something that doesn't have a Regional Variant, including Sneasel, which evolves into Sneasler, not Weavile. The second bit straight up ignores Vulpuix and Ninetales entirely as if Sneasel was the only Pokémon that the information applies to. Also, the transfer bit was added after the first time the information was removed, it's irrelevant and I'm not sure why that was added, as all Pokémon in the game can be obtained with or without transfer or even trade.
:If the information must be added, it needs to be reworded so that it says, "This the only core series game in which some Pokémon are only available within their Regional (or Hisuian) Form." this information makes no reference to the fact some Pokémon can still have both their forms available, and doesn't stretch it with a list that conflicts with the existing information. [[User:TrainerSplash|TrainerSplash]] ([[User talk:TrainerSplash|talk]]) 06:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)