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==Semi-newly Announced Pokemon==

Hello,

This article needs to be update to include the two newer pokemon revealed.
Gigaiasu and Mamanbou.

Would it be safe to assume that Mamanbou is atleast a Water type?

{{rdexh|black|white|I}}
{{rdex|???|???|Mamanbou|1|Water}}
{{rdex|???|???|Gigaiasu|1|Rock}}
{{rdex|???|???|Miruhoggu|1|Normal}}
{{rdex|???|???|Shikijika|2|Normal|Grass}}
{{rdex|???|???|Emonga|2|Electric|Flying}}
{{rdex|???|???|Swana|2|Water|Flying}}
{{rdex|???|???|Kurumiru|2|Bug|Grass}}
{{rdex|???|???|Basurao|1|Water}}
{{rdex|???|???|Moguryuu|1|Ground}}
|}

--[[User:Paperstraw|Paperstraw]] 19:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit: Adding the revealing of two new pokemon; Miruhoggu (Minezumi's evoution) and Shikijika. {{unsigned|Paperstraw}}

Edit 2: Added the new Pika-clone from the Bus Demo, Emonga, plus Gigaiasu and Shikijika's type.--[[User:A Tell-Tale Heart|A Tell-Tale Heart]] 02:11, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit 3: Swana and Kurumiru need to be added to the list. Moguryuu's type needs to be changed to ground. And I think it's safe to say Basurao will be atleast part water.--[[User:Paperstraw|Paperstraw]] 16:17, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

* I'd add that Victini's details have been revealed as well in the hopes that someone will get off their *** and write the article, but there's no point requesting an update on this page or on any other pages for that matter. The people with editing privileges will update whenever the crap they feel like it (which will probably be a month after the games are released) and not a minute sooner. Apparently the people in charge of the definitive source of Pokémon knowledge on the web have more important things to do than, say, keep up with current events or keep the wiki up to date. You know, trivial things like that.--[[User:Bad Wolf|Bad Wolf]] 17:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:{{p|Victini}}--[[User:Phantomjunkie|<span style="color:red">Phantom</span>]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|<span style="color:black">Junkie</span>]] 17:50, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, I'm sorry? We're a couple of hours late on the news? Maybe even a day at most, but we are keeping up with the news, after all, WE'RE the ones writing the news articles most of the time. But yeah, thanks for letting us know we're not allowed to have lives. <span style="color:red">—<small>♥</small></span> <b>[[User:Jello|<span style="color:orange">Jel</span>]][[User Talk:Jello|<span style="color:#90a8e0;">lo</span>]]</b> 18:54, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry Jello, but I'll have to support Bad Wolf on this topic. Firstly this is an encyclopedia, something that is supposed to provide the most up-to-date information on its contents as fast as it's released, while this is not humanly possible all of the time, articles should be updated/culled atleast once per week, especially with news of a new game constantly trickling in.

You use the creation of news articles as an excuse, but there hasn't even been an average of 1 article/day, so that is not a satisfactory response in my opinion. There are currently 19 administrators on Bulbapedia, and one of them even stopped in to chastise some criticism, instead of actually editting the main article being criticized, which would have probably taken considerably less time to do, so I think it should be possible to maintain a healthy social life, while updating a couple dozen articles in a week.--[[User:Paperstraw|Paperstraw]] 20:37, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:I apologize if I offended anyone here, I think I took this a little too personally, hence my comment may not have been appropriate. Speaking for myself here, I do try my hardest to do what I can here, but I'm only one person and it does get stressful. Please try to remember that we put up things that are confirmed, and are wary about putting up rumored information, so we'll always be late, but we can at least be right about it. If you think something should be updated and are not getting any response, the fastest thing would to contact an active staff member on their talk page and bring up the issue there. Thanks. <span style="color:red">—<small>♥</small></span> <b>[[User:Jello|<span style="color:orange;">Jello</span>]][[User Talk:Jello|<span style="color:#3FA9D0;"><sup>talk</sup></span>]]</b> 20:02, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey- just wanted to ask something here... First of all, on the page, we listed Mamanbou as Water-Type due to the fact that it is (99% likely) an evolution of Luvdisc. Additionally, rather then keeping Musharna in "later-reveals-on-the-bottom order", we placed Musharna right after Munna, as they are related by evolution. Considering all that... Shouldn't we, similarly, place Darumakka right before Hihidaruma and state it as Fire-Type? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']]<sup>[[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']]</sup> 19:57, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, Mamanbou is listed as a Water-type because it is a fish, not because it might be an evolution of Luvdisc. In fact, given that there are only Gen V Pokémon pre-national dex, it's also likely that none of the Pokémon currently revealed have cross generation evolutions. Until it is 100% confirmed, there will be no mention of the supposed evolutionary relationship in the articles. Secondly, does the order really matter at the moment? They are all going to be changed when we get their dex numbers anyway. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</sc> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 20:25, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
::Ah- wasn't clear on that. Although the evolution thing wasn't really the point of what I was saying- we still assumed it's type, even though it's ''technically not 100% confirmed'', which is what I was trying to get across... Though anyway; Darumakka and Hihidaruma share obvious design aspects, colors, themes, and have similar names. It's pretty obvious they're related. Fine, there doesn't need to be a mention of the relationship in their articles- I didn't even say that anyway...- though it would still make sense to place them next to each other on this page, as we did with Musharna. As for the why does it matter thing- it doesn't. It's called aesthetics- In other words, because it looks nice- it's fun. Of course they're going to be changed when we get their dex numbers, but that shouldn't be for another month or so. We shouldn't just ''not care'' or whatever in the mean time. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']]<sup>[[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']]</sup> 20:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

==Pikachu Discussion==

who said pikachu's family is going to be there? coro coro said that The Isshu (Sound like issue) is located far away from the others. who said its getting special treatment (it has been used to much for such a weak pokemon. [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 22:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's pretty much set in stone that Pikachu will be in there...Its appeared in all main games in the regional Dex, and it's pretty much safe to say it will be there in Black and White...--[[User:PsychicRider|<span style="color:#78C850;">'''Psy'''</span>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#F85888;">'''ライダー'''</sub>]]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<span style="color:#C4E673;">'''☮'''</span>]]'' 22:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Most likely, all of [[List of Pokémon that appear in every regional Pokédex|these Pokemon]] will be in Black and White's Pokedex.  Pikachu is guaranteed because of being the mascot of Pokemon. <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 22:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

pikachu is pokemons unofficial mascot why wouldnt it be here (honestly....it should be obvious by now and they'd be idiots to stop it now)
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:While I agree that the Pikachu line will end up in the game at some point, we can't put it on the Regional Dex until we have confirmation that it's in the Regional Dex. It could end up being like DP's Eevee for all we know. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 11:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Needs Speculation and Current Event tags ==

This article has no "official" sources so should be tagged as such. Yes we all agree that the {{tt|cutesy yellow vermin|Pikachu}} will appear in the regional dex however this has not been confirmed by any sources official or unofficial. Therefore it is entirely fan speculation at this point and this status needs to be made clear.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 23:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:See above, regarding the vermin. Tags will be put on. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 11:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::Considering that Sdex had Electabuzz and Elekid ready and in waiting at the bottom back in 2006, I don't see why we can't put that Pikachu, which is obvious, will be in the Pokédex. It's not like we're speculating that Magikarp or Geodude will be. If Pikachu's not in the regional 'dex, it's not a Pokémon game. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Reshiraram and Zekrom Types ==
Reshiram and Zekrom have been revealed to be Dragon types.
:Yeah, this should be added. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 00:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Is it really necessary? ==
Do we really need to have all the ???'s in the Pokedex? I think it would be better to organize it just by what we know, like this:

{{rdexh|black|white|I}}
{{rdex|001|494|Tsutarja|1|Grass}}
{{rdex|004|497|Pokabu|1|Fire}}
{{rdex|007|500|Mijumaru|1|Water}}
{{rdex|078|???|Chiramii|1|Normal}}
|}

However, the unnumbered ones can remain as they were. Thoughts?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 19:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

:I partly agree since the number of new Pokémon is unknown as well as the number of previous Generation Pokémon that will be added is also undetermined. It would be a great way of dealing with speculation of the number of things that are unknown at the moment until further details are revealed. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 19:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Romanization inconsistencies ==

I was going to put this on Rankurusu's page, but since it applies to a few other Pokémon I figured I'd say it here. I noticed that Wōguru's article is entitled '''Wargle''' even though the official romanization has not been confirmed (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong). However, there are other new Pokémon whose names are partly derived from English words, but they aren't romanized as such on this page or in the article titles:

* Rankurusu should be '''Ranculus'''
* Chiramii should be '''Chillamii'''
* Giaru should be '''Gearu'''
* Meguroko should be '''Meguroc'''
* Gochikuzeru should be '''Gothiruzeru'''
* Denchura should be '''Dentula'''

I know that a lot of these names are being discussed on the individual pages, but I thought I'd list them here for discussion. Either we should change all of the article names to the ones I listed, or rename Wargle to Wooguru until the official romanization is given. We can't have one article titled with an assumed romanization (no matter how likely it may be) and leave the rest as their literal transliterations; this is, after all, an encyclopedia, and consistency is important.--[[User:Bad Wolf|Bad Wolf]] 07:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Giaru is "Gearl" in my mind. But I didn't make the article. I made Wargle. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:Chillarmy is the trademarked romanization. And yeah, Gearl, makes the most sense, since gear is "gia", and adding an extra r would be pointless. <span style="font-family:Impact">[[User:Goldenpelt|<span style="color:#D4AF37">Gοlden</span>]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">pelt</span>]]</span> 04:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Just one question before the pre-release of the games... ==

Is it possible that the Abra, Machop, and Geodude evolutions will be included in the Isshu Pokédex?<br>
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|<font face="Verdana" color="#FF0000">L</font><font face="Verdana" color="#FF8800">D</font><font face="Verdana" color="#FFFF00">E</font>]][[User_talk:LDEJRuff|<font face="Verdana" color="#00FF00">J</font><font face="Verdana" color="#008800">R</font><font face="Verdana" color="#0000FF">u</font><font face="Verdana" color="#000088">f</font><font face="Verdana" color="#880088">f</font>]]'''''~~<font face="Verdana" color="#FF88FF"><sup>([[Special:Contributions/LDEJRuff|<font color="#FF88FF">see what I have contributed</font>]])</sup></font> July 27, 2010, 15:16 (EDT)

I would think it would be possible that they will.But until there`s evidence that they are,They are as of the moment are not in the dex.But about the matter,The forum is a place to speculate this stuff not talk pages.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|<span style="color:#2C2C2C ;">'''Lucario'''</span>]][[User:LucarioWolf|<span style="color:#7F7F7F ;">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 20:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== No Pikachu ==

What. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:Even if it is going to be in the Isshu dex, we don't know what Isshu dex number it might have. The same can easily be said for Pokémon like Magikarp, Geodude, Zubat, Abra,  etc. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 00:20, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::It's not in there. We have confirmation. Only Gen V Pokémon will be in the Idex. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Was there an official source of that? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 00:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Junichi Masuda's blog specifically said that there are only new Pokémon until you beat the game. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|<font color="black"><small>S</small><sup>h</sup><small>i</small><sub>n</sub><small>y</small> <sup>N</sup><small>o</small><sub>c</sub><small>t</small><sup>o</sup><small>w</small><sub>l</sub></font>]] 00:31, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

==Basurao?==
<s>I don't recall exactly where we got Basurao's name from but it's not in the bus demo flyer or the leaked Coro Coro scans. Can someone confirm whether this information came from a reliable source and if not, kindly remove it? Sorry it it's confirmed, I just don't remember where it came from.</s>--[[User:A Tell-Tale Heart|A Tell-Tale Heart]] 16:52, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, Serebii says it's from same blog as Darumakka. I wasn't sure since we don't have a picture of it.--[[User:A Tell-Tale Heart|A Tell-Tale Heart]] 19:43, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== Minezumi's number ==

http://www.pokemonbrothers.com/public/cutenews/data/immagini/%5BPB%5Dfoto2.jpg

#010. All said.--'''[[User:Immewnity|<span style="color:#88AADD">''immewnity''</span>]][[User talk:Immewnity|<span style="color:#627DB7">the</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|<span style="color:#335577">mew</span>]]''' 02:48, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:So if Minezumi is 010, it follows that Miruhoggu would be 011, right? Since they are in a confirmed evolutionary line.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|<span style="color:red">Phantom</span>]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|<span style="color:black">Junkie</span>]] 03:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, this also confirms that Miruoggu is 011... [[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cu</font>]][[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Tan">bo</font>]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green color light">ne</font>]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Black">King</font>]] 03:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== National Dex numbers ==

I noticed that following the announcement that pre-Isshu Pokémon are absent from the Isshu Dex, Chillarmy, Minezumi, and Miruhoggu have been given National Dex numbers on this page but not in the individual articles. Could someone take care of that?--[[User:A Tell-Tale Heart|A Tell-Tale Heart]] 18:22, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Red Links ==

Would somebody fix the menu sprites, some of them are linked to the menu sprite numbers (50x, etc.). They're supposed to be the question mark. I cannot edit this myself. {{u|Gallevoir}} 18:11, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Curious ==

Upon a certain fansites reveal (without sources) of Victini being #494 in the National Dex, it got me thinking: How was Tsutarja, Mijumaru, etc actually given National Dex numbers on Bulbapedia, other than speculation? Yes, in the past, the starters started the national dex for the generation, but with an all new "from scratch" generation, assuming that was speculation. Just something I'm curious about. And the reason I'm posting this here and not forums is more of a "Why are the national dex numbers labeled, when none have been revealed?" [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 06:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:Now Serebii has confirmed Victini is #494 (on GameFAQs, sadly). Again, aware they are not sourceable sources. However, I'm stating shouldn't the natiional dex #'s of all pokemon be removed until B&W is released, as there is no evidence for national dex numbers for any of them? [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 08:24, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Choroneko ==

Pokemon Sunday revealed that it was #019 in the Isshu dex. --[[User:S2daam|samm -- ]] 11:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Sazando"? ==

Both here and the [[National Pokédex]] page. Rename, please, because I can't do it myself. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 22:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Name change ==

Shouldn't "Isshu" be changed to "Unova" [[User:Captian Obvious|Captian Obvious]] 00:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, but the admins are going to take their time changing all the stuff. Things this big don't happen instantly. <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 01:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
* They still forgot to change Pokabu and Mijumaru, though. They only changed Snivy. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]])</sup> 04:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
::Article name needs changing '''urgently''', it's causing a red link on Unova's infobox. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] 04:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
More. They need to change Desumasu (Yamask). [[User:TFSpock|TFSpock]] 20:38, 8 February 2011 (UTC)TFSpock

Servine, Dewott and {{tt|Goruugu|it has incorrect romanization}}.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#BF0B17">ＤＥＮＮＯＵ</font>]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#1250A6">ＺＥＮＳＨＩ</font>]] 15:05, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== Ease of access ==

Could somebody please make it so that "Pokémon list," "List of new Pokémon," and "Unova Pokédex" redirect here? It's kind of hard to find if you don't know where to look. [[User:Seevea|Seevea of The Blackened Halls]] 15:08, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Ease of completion ==

Am I the only one, or has anyone else noticed that completing the Unova Pokedex is easy and fast. Captured the initial 153 (ignoring the (secret?) final three things after the Kyurem) extremely fast in comparison to the other games. are those final 3 slated to being released soon at all or what? Where did we get the intel on them? {{unsigned|PKMN Soldier Berlioz}}
:There will probably be a movie about them (See: Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus) and they were found out through hacking into the games. Released or not, they're still programmed into the games' software. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 05:22, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Protect. ==

BW2 revelation.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 05:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
*True because Psyduck, Golduck, Sneasel, Weavile, Larvitar, Pupitar, Tyranitar, Riolu, Lucario, Buneary, Lopunny, Beldum, Metang, Metagross, Growlithe, Arcaninie, Mareep, Flaaffy, Ampharos, Lapras, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Espeon, Umbreon, Leafeon, and Glaceon are all confirmed to be in the new Unovedex. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 01:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:We know its true. we just wait until everything else is revealed before we update it.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 02:05, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Therefore, shouldn't we remove the [[List of Pokémon by Kanto Pokédex number|Kanto trivia]]? Chowolun 13:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC) [[User:Lucario985]]

:Wait until '''everything''' is revealed, and then we take action.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#424B50">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#848A8D">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#E3CED0">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EDDFE0">ire</span>]] 13:24, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== New Unova Dex ==

Here is a work in progress version of the [[User:Memo326/New Unova Dex|New Unova Dex]] on my userpage. You can edit however you like. I've made several (safe) assumptions, though I'm sure those are not a problem as the page is still in the userspace for now. (I couldn't find if anyone was already making this, but I did search). '''[[User:Memo326|<span style="color:#151B8D;">Memo</span>]]'''<i>[[User talk:Memo326|<sup><span style="color:#8D38C9;">326</span></sup>]]</i> 19:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for that. It'll make it much easier once we figure out what to do with the new order. Which we'll probably hold off on until we get just a bit more info. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 21:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
::I agree as well since there is too little information to have it posted right now and besides like Heart Gold and Soul Silver having a separate regional Pokédex listing page is needed. My only idea is going to the pages of the Generation I-IV Pokémon that have already got their number=to the new Unova Dex confirmed and add to their regional the link template {{sup|BW2}} to avoid for it to get mixed up with the numbering of the original Unova Dex like {{p|Riolu}}. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:38, 30 April 2012 (UTC)