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== Article name change ==

I've been out of the Pokémon loop for quite some time, but it appears that Jimmy Zoppi/Billy Beach is now being credited under his real name, Carter Cathcart. Since it's common practice for us to have VAs listed under their real names if they've been credited under it in Pokémon (ie, [[Rodger Parsons]], [[Jason Griffith]]) should we rename the article to Carter Cathcart? It's apparent that he has no problem having his real name connected to the show (heck, there's a clip of him doing an interview on YouTube where he fully admits that he's been credited as Jimmy Zoppi and Billy Beach), and the fact that he's now being credited under his real name gives support to this. Thoughts? --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] <sup>[[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]]</sup> 03:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to his Facebook, his full name is "James Carter Cathcart," so "Jimmy" is still his name. :P But I don't see what's wrong with having the page use their real name. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 04:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
::But his real last name is Catchcart, so I think that should be changed. And Carter is his middle name. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 18:29, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

== Last name ==

His real last name is Catchcart, so shouldn't this be at {{redlink|James Carter Catchcart}}? I mean it's not like he hasn't been credited with that last name before. I think this should be moved. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 21:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, he has never been credited in the anime as '''Jimmy Zoppi''' --[[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 21:33, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:[http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a363/SonicAngel948/Bulbapedia/JimmyZoppi.png That's actually not true]. But I'm not against the move though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 22:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
::I think we should only have the article use names he is credited as. Some actors prefer to keep their personal lives (including their birth name) separate from their professional lives. People will know who Jimmy Zoppi or Carter Cathcart are from the credits. I don't even know if we should have their full, birth names be mentioned on the page as a respect to their privacy. Just keep things on the professional side, with maybe a short, not too personal, bio. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 04:16, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, then should we rename Kayzie Rogers "Jamie Peacock"? And Jimmy himself uses his real name plenty of times, I don't think he has anything wrong with it. AND we have links that read "Carter Cathcart." We could always just rename it "Carter Catchcart." I support the move. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 04:48, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
::::In case you misunderstood, I'm not against moving it to Carter Cathcart. I was just against moving it to ''James'' Carter Cathcart. Kayzie Rogers is actually credited as Kayzie Rogers in BW with her work as Axew. So it is a credited name. That's all I'm saying, if it's used in the credits, we use it. {{unsigned|Jo The Marten}} 04:54, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
::::::Then does this mean we should move it to Carter Cathcart? It's what he currently is credited is. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 05:09, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Isn't this a bit of a slippery slope? It's not uncommon for VAs to be credited by a couple of different names. If we try to use the most recent one, we could very well end up moving articles routinely. I think we should use whichever name is used most ''often'' as opposed to most ''recently''. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal Talian]] 05:14, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
::::::::He's mostly either been credited as James Carter Cathcart or Carter Cathcart. I don't see anything wrong with a move. And it doesn't seem like many would actually oppose it. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 05:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, we're not really getting anywhere with this. Again, should we move this to Carter Cathcart or not? [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 23:38, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Hey guys, we need some more opinions. We haven't gone that much since December 31st. Now I'm not trying to be impatient, but you shouldn't just leave a talk section like that. I think we might need to start a consensus. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 00:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::I say yes, make the move - it's his real name, and he hasn't gone by Jimmy Zoppi since in almost 6 years. But I think it makes more sense to move it to James Carter Cathcart while leaving the credits on the articles for James, Meowth etc. "Carter Cathcart", because while he currently goes by Carter Cathcart as a VA, as scriptwriter his name has appeared ''with'' the James since season 9. -[[User:Thingamajig257|<span style="color:blue">Thingamajig</span>]]'''[[User talk:Thingamajig257|<span style="color:orange">257</span>]]'''- 11:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::OK, let's do it! [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 23:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I thought we needed mod/admin approval before moving? [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 03:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:Hang on now. My intention was not to have everything moved back, I was only asking a question. I may be totally wrong. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 04:07, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

He's been very contradictory and using false information to back him up.  No administrator actually said yes--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 04:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I am NOT using false info! Also I asked for a consensus, but no one bothered to do so. And chances are, the admins (no offense) would probably want to wait, I dunno, a few weeks? And PLEASE unprotect the article. It's not fair permanetly protect something. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 22:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

It's impossible to protect an article "permanetly", as such a word does not exist.  The reason you didn't get a response is because everyone is sick of you and the way you think you can do whatever you want.  No administrator said yes, and you defied them by moving the page.  You claim you're using facts, but have yet to provide evidence.  Please leave this alone--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 22:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

:OK, A: I do have evidence about the name, most were not against it. Even the admins who were posting to this section didn't. And B: I am not intending to be the king of this. Also, Snorlax Monster did NOT provide an exp. date when he protected it, so it would seem like it was permanent. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 22:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:If you really had evidence that it should be moved from Jimmy Zoppi, you would provide it. Claiming you have it and actually having it are two different things. And actually, you tried removing ALL REFERENCES[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Zoppi&diff=cur&oldid=1583633] to the Jimmy Zoppi name, which exposes your agenda to have everything your way. That's vandalism. And the name you chose to move it to was the one name where there was a flat-out no from Jo, so not only did you not have approval, you had complete disapproval. So there will be no vote, no move. It's staying at Zoppi.--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 22:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
::@SandmanDP If you wanna see a proof, [http://www.myspace.com/98405018 see this]. -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|<span style="color:green;">'''Poké'''</span>]][[User talk:Poke.geek|<span style="color:brown;">'''.geek'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|<span style="color:black;">™</span>]]✔ 22:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Which name is Tom Cruise known by? Is he Thomas Mapother? Or Tom Cruise? The administrators already decided, and you refuse to respect that.  The page is not moving.  People on Facebook use alternate display names all the time.  MySpace should be treated no different in that regard

Might I also add that he's been Jimmy Zoppi more than any other name? He's only been Cathcart since this season.  He was Zoppi for at least 7.  He was Billy Beach inbetween.  Zoppi wins by majority usage--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 22:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:There seems to be a little confusion about exactly how and why I protected this page. I protected it only from moving; you are still free to edit it. Also, I protected it because the page was moved when people had not come to an agreement on the talk page yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 07:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
::Does that mean that it is okay to put this to a vote? I thought it seemed like a good idea. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 07:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I greatly prefer decisions made by discussion rather than vote, but if everybody is so set in their opinion that we can't decide any other way, I guess a vote is acceptable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

==== Consensus Time ====
Here's a poll I created for this desicion. Feel free to vote your opinion, and then once this poll is closed, we'll see. Whichever name gets the most votes (including my own vote) pretty much wins, once we've gotten clearance by an admin. Also, please post your comments above this heading if you have any more. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 17:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

'''Jimmy Zoppi''' (1) - SandmanDP

'''James Carter Cathcart''' (1) - Thingamajig257

'''Carter Cathcart''' (1) - Satoshi101

Also, please note that I have the right to keep tally and add votes from other users if they have said so in the main headline. However, I will ask them to confirm this on their talk pages. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 17:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)