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Cubism art

I saw my edit was removed just because someone considered it doesn't look cubism at all by just a simple glance in Google Images. Let me tell that cubism is an art movement that was very diverse and different between artists, and not because some pictures don't look like Brambleghast mean that it cannot took inspiration on cubism.

From Wikipedia: "In Cubist artwork, objects are analyzed, broken up and reassembled in an abstracted form—instead of depicting objects from a single viewpoint, the artist depicts the subject from a multitude of viewpoints to represent the subject in a greater context". Brambleghast is a tumbleweed with face, which is a simple concept but the important point is how it was made.

First: you can see its face from any perspective, even seeing it from its back, being a similarity on cubism art where they represent the object from multiple viewpoints. The fact that even when Brambleghast "walks" it separates its eyes from the branch that forms its face creates this effect of abstraction more solidly.

Second: the branches makes the face more abstract whatever the perspective you are looking at it. In fact, some branches make cubes between them, which is the form that was used the most in this art movement. In other words, you could consider that Brambleghast is just a ":)" face but you are forgetting that you are looking the geometric forms on its back at the same time. You can see its icon to notice its face is not one branch only and the back makes the face look more complex.

Third: the use of heterochromia was unnecessary, especially when Bramblin doesn't have heterochromia. They could have changed the color of both eyes and yet they did it only in one eye. There are a few cubism portraits where the eyes were depicted in different colors despite the fact the people they were drawing didn't have heterochromia. This is just an artistic resource that cubism artists used not only in eyes but also in skin or hair. You can see this in the branches as well, where they were more like color patterns instead being a single gradient like Bramblin had.

In summary, I'm pretty sure Brambleghast took inspiration in this art movement for multiple reasons that may be overlooked by some people given how abstract it can be to base a Pokémon on an art movement rather than the artworks themselves. Worth noting that we are talking about a Pokémon from a Spain-based region, whose most famous artist has been a pioneer in this art style, so I don't think it's a mere coincidence. --Benjathor2 (talk) 11:38, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, Brassius is a Grass-type artist, so you'd think that if Grass-typed Brambleghast was inspired by an art movement that the Grass-type artist would use said Pokémon in their team. However, Brassius does not use Brambleghast, so it seems unlikely that Brambleghast would have that origin. Buddy002 (talk) 12:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Kofu doesn't use Dodonzo either yet they both are based in seafood chefs. Also, Brassius' design is quite similar to Brambleghast line. It's not the first time they don't give a Pokémon to a trainer that could make a lot of sense to have in their team (or even be their ace). Knowing more about the character and what he tells about his dark past in art class, you might think that his current team is more metaphorical (his entire team is made up of lively and cheerful Pokémon), and that a gloomy Pokémon could have caused his team to lose that point. He doesn't even use Sunflora yet is an important Pokémon to him. --Benjathor2 (talk) 03:12, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Tbh, I just think it looks like a tumbleweed with a scary face. It doesn't have to be that deep. Like, my thinking is, if they want to make a cubism inspired Pokémon, they would do it. They wouldn't half ass it and make something that ends up being debatable on whether or not it is related to cubism. *shrug* Anzasquiddles (talk) 15:58, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
If it's deep or not maybe we will never know. It's proven that they made other Pokémon by taking inspirations that many people couldn't even know if they hadn't confirmed these directly (like that time when James Turner told that he took inspirations from Marshmallow from Ghostbusters to make the Vanilluxe line). It wouldn't be the first time an inspiration is subtle and is mistaken for something much simpler. I'm just pointing to a possibility that makes sense to me, I'm sure everyone here knows that Pokémon designs often have a lot more context than a person would see with the naked eye. --Benjathor2 (talk) 03:12, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
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