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:::Dragon Ball Z is perhaps the best way to compare Hadou/Aura (波導) and Ki (気, which in Chinese is pronounced qi and in Japan as ki). If you look at DBZ, most attacks in the series use Ki, a person's fighting spirit/inner strength, whereas certain special attacks use something different, such as the Spirit Bomb which uses spirit/life energy, and seems to be analogous to the use of Hadou/Aura which appears to be how the Pokémon World refers to life energy (you could say that Goku's Spirit Bomb is pretty much a super huge Aura Sphere). But, if you use up your fighting spirit, you become exhausted, but use up all of your life energy, and you're dead, such was the case with Sir Aaron and later his Lucario. So attacks such as Focus Blast (Kiai dame, most likely meaning inner-strength reservoir) and Focus Punch (Kiai Punch, inner-strength punch) use ki, whereas Aura Sphere (hadou dan, wave-guiding mass) uses hadou/aura, life energy. Though the use of Aura sphere seems to use the aura gathered from around the user (hence being referred to wave-''guiding''), which explains why continual use doesn't kill the user. Perhaps even the whole system of PP is based on ki, the fighting energy, which would explain why Focus Blast which uses one's own ki directly outside the body is so powerful but only has a base of 5 PP, but Focus Punch, which keeps the energy in the body (one's fist) has so much more. That both Focus attacks use Ki directly and that they are fighting-type moves gives credence that they are based on the Martial Art's use of kiai and explains their Japanese names. The fact is: Hadou/Aura is not the same as Ki/Qi, but it's not unrelated either. --[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | :::Dragon Ball Z is perhaps the best way to compare Hadou/Aura (波導) and Ki (気, which in Chinese is pronounced qi and in Japan as ki). If you look at DBZ, most attacks in the series use Ki, a person's fighting spirit/inner strength, whereas certain special attacks use something different, such as the Spirit Bomb which uses spirit/life energy, and seems to be analogous to the use of Hadou/Aura which appears to be how the Pokémon World refers to life energy (you could say that Goku's Spirit Bomb is pretty much a super huge Aura Sphere). But, if you use up your fighting spirit, you become exhausted, but use up all of your life energy, and you're dead, such was the case with Sir Aaron and later his Lucario. So attacks such as Focus Blast (Kiai dame, most likely meaning inner-strength reservoir) and Focus Punch (Kiai Punch, inner-strength punch) use ki, whereas Aura Sphere (hadou dan, wave-guiding mass) uses hadou/aura, life energy. Though the use of Aura sphere seems to use the aura gathered from around the user (hence being referred to wave-''guiding''), which explains why continual use doesn't kill the user. Perhaps even the whole system of PP is based on ki, the fighting energy, which would explain why Focus Blast which uses one's own ki directly outside the body is so powerful but only has a base of 5 PP, but Focus Punch, which keeps the energy in the body (one's fist) has so much more. That both Focus attacks use Ki directly and that they are fighting-type moves gives credence that they are based on the Martial Art's use of kiai and explains their Japanese names. The fact is: Hadou/Aura is not the same as Ki/Qi, but it's not unrelated either. --[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::It probably is based on energy sources such as Qi and Chakra but the Star Wars influence is clear from the repeated use of "The Aura is with me". I don't think Ash being the last one is pushing it either - the whole premise of the Aura Guardians is basically a fantasy version of the Jedi. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 00:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC) | ::::It probably is based on energy sources such as Qi and Chakra but the Star Wars influence is clear from the repeated use of "The Aura is with me". I don't think Ash being the last one is pushing it either - the whole premise of the Aura Guardians is basically a fantasy version of the Jedi. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 00:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Well, I pretty much broke my unspoken rule about never participating in talk page discussions, but I feel I'm enough of a Star Wars geek to merit that. I'd like to point out several things. First of all, the sentence comparing Ash with Luke Skywalker is misleading and inaccurate. Luke was NOT the only one in the original trilogy who could use the Force. (Darth Vader, anyone? Not to mention Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Yoda, and Leia.) Now if it turned out that Cyrus could control aura and then he revealed himself as Ash's father...then yeah, the comparison between the two would gain much more credibility. Furthermore, to me it seems like aura is more related to ki/chakra in both form and function than to the Force. Also, note the background of the people who created the aura concept. While I'm not saying that they've never heard of Star Wars, given the creators' propensity for references to Eastern culture, it's definitely not a stretch at all to say they based aura off of the Eastern idea of ki, while it is somewhat further of a stretch to assume that they at least initially based it off of the Force. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Inspiration section of the article seems like it was written on the assumption that the creators/writers got their main inspiration from a movie and then as a secondary source used a traditional concept from their culture of origin. (In fact, I'm pretty sure Lucas himself based aspects of the Force off of ki.) I feel like it should be re-written with heavier emphasis on ki and a small blurb at the end about the Force (because in light of things such as the Aura Guardians and "the aura is with me", it's entirely possible that they did at least have some influence from SW). Also, is "the aura is with me" a dub phrase, or is it directly translated from the original? If it's not the original phrasing, I suggest someone do some digging and find the original Japanese, because it's entirely possible that the dub writers decided to consciously use a phrase similar to the classic SW phrase, as it would definitely not be the first time they've work in popular culture references. I'm sorry this was so long; free cookies for whoever read this far. If nobody objects, I'll go ahead and change it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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