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many pokemon are mixtures of unrelated things (animals, objects etc) can't see why scizor couldn't be a mixture of arthropods [[User:Lphits|Lphits]] ([[User talk:Lphits|talk]]) 02:39, 16 December 2022 (UTC) | many pokemon are mixtures of unrelated things (animals, objects etc) can't see why scizor couldn't be a mixture of arthropods [[User:Lphits|Lphits]] ([[User talk:Lphits|talk]]) 02:39, 16 December 2022 (UTC) | ||
:You also wouldn't say Salamence is a parrot because it doesn't '''look''' like one, not just because the wings are of different structure. Same thing with Scizor, it's not a crustacean because it doesn't '''look''' like one. You're still only looking at one aspect of a Pokemon and trying to connect dots, when I've explained that having one thing in common isn't enough. Scorpions would be closer because it has pincers '''and''' is an arachnid (again, close enough to being insectoid). And just because people associate scorpions with their tail, doesn't mean scorpions no longer have pincers. Origins need more than one thing connecting it to an animal, otherwise we'd have people going "Cascoon has spikes, so it could be based on all these animals, that are clearly not cocoons or insects, but have spikes".--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 05:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC) | :You also wouldn't say Salamence is a parrot because it doesn't '''look''' like one, not just because the wings are of different structure. Same thing with Scizor, it's not a crustacean because it doesn't '''look''' like one. You're still only looking at one aspect of a Pokemon and trying to connect dots, when I've explained that having one thing in common isn't enough. Scorpions would be closer because it has pincers '''and''' is an arachnid (again, close enough to being insectoid). And just because people associate scorpions with their tail, doesn't mean scorpions no longer have pincers. Origins need more than one thing connecting it to an animal, otherwise we'd have people going "Cascoon has spikes, so it could be based on all these animals, that are clearly not cocoons or insects, but have spikes".--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#44BAE5">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#85D2EE">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DA7D99">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#E7ABBD">ire</span>]] 05:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC) | ||
oh but please, what you're saying is totally not the same and is missing the point, you're examples are pretty random and (perhaps intentionally) way too vague | |||
pincers are characteristics of crustaceans and scorpions, correct? perhaps there are more that i do not know of, that's 2 genuses, both arthropods | |||
wings are characteristics of everything able to fly (yeah, even airplanes), wings are a collective name of any appendage used for flight and is used by a very wide range of animals | |||
why don't you bring legs or eyes up as an example against pincers while we're at it? they're even more vague than wings or spikes | |||
i would also like to point out that ever since the beginning of the discussion i have included scorpions in my reasoning (never said anything about disappearing pincers and such) and i never once wrote that scizor is a crustacean, i pointed out again and again, that it, indeed and undoubtedly, has pincers, which might be associated to either crustaceans OR scorpions, so it does, has feature of either of these | |||
it's not a crab, it's not a scorpion. just like gligar is neither a scorpion nor a bat, yet it still has their features, get what i mean? | |||
crustaceans and mantises: | |||
arthropods | |||
use their foremost limbs to feed | |||
thats at least 2 things | |||
crustaceans and scizor: | |||
arthropods (no such thing in pokemon but let's assume it is one) | |||
pincers | |||
thats at least 2 things | |||
dinosaurs and mantises: | |||
erm... both have eyes? | |||
yet we have such a pokemon | |||
please do not miss the point | |||
once again, in case you missed: there are a bunch of pokemon which are obvious combinations of completely unrelated animals (or objects) (not sure why you're still onto the arachnid insecticide and connection thing) | |||
or just show a picture of scizor to 20 random kids (or adults lol) and if less than half of them mention any kind of crustacean (or scorpion), then perhaps it really has nothing to do with them | |||
does magmar look like a booby? or anything like a bird, physically, except for the seemingly duck like beak? yet, the booby and duck and other seabird references have been there for a very long time (been using bulbapedia for idk how many years) solely on the assumption that the Japanese name boober comes from the English booby, while, being a spitfire pokemon, it may as well be coming from the sound fire spotters make when they do their job, and the whole design might not be inspired by seabirds, but simply fire spitters and the karura (that was a good observation whoever made it) | |||
it's really very contradicting that some pokemon are allowed to be called a combination of different, unrelated animals (despite not resembling them at all or just sharing a single trait), while others are not | |||
if the otherwise quite reptilian magmar shares similarities to birds because of its beak and despite having like.. zero physical resemblance to birds, then, surely, the arthropod scizor may be allowed to have fellow arthropod (crustacean/scorpion) features as well? there are much more extreme combinations out there | |||
cheers, have a nice day [[User:Lphits|Lphits]] ([[User talk:Lphits|talk]]) 12:32, 16 December 2022 (UTC) | |||