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:FWIW, おう is not absolutely equivalent to "King", a male noun. It's equally "monarch/ruler", or even just "master"/"champion". Though it does commonly assume male gender, it is not ''necessarily'' gendered, and that's a problem if you want to try to use that to say "Black Belts MUST be male". That said, the rest of the dialogue (Japanese in particular, supposing it's accurate) clearly suggests she had a sex-reassignment operation. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC) | :FWIW, おう is not absolutely equivalent to "King", a male noun. It's equally "monarch/ruler", or even just "master"/"champion". Though it does commonly assume male gender, it is not ''necessarily'' gendered, and that's a problem if you want to try to use that to say "Black Belts MUST be male". That said, the rest of the dialogue (Japanese in particular, supposing it's accurate) clearly suggests she had a sex-reassignment operation. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
::Fair enough; it's true, I've seen it both ways, though in my experience using "ou" for a woman is kind of odd. But I still don't see why there should be any doubt as to whether or not she's trans, especially since that is how the Japanese fandom has read her: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=39361775 [[User:Nazerine|Nazerine]] ([[User talk:Nazerine|talk]]) 22:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC) | ::Fair enough; it's true, I've seen it both ways, though in my experience using "ou" for a woman is kind of odd. But I still don't see why there should be any doubt as to whether or not she's trans, especially since that is how the Japanese fandom has read her: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=39361775 [[User:Nazerine|Nazerine]] ([[User talk:Nazerine|talk]]) 22:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::Just throwing it out there that the Beauty isn't necessarily the first ever character implied to be trans*, there is also | :::Just throwing it out there that the Beauty isn't necessarily the first ever character implied to be trans*, there is also {{HIBAPC|Akari}} from [[How I Became a Pokémon Card]]. Having said that, I do believe the statement that she is implied to be trans* in both Japanese and English should stay on the article. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400">'''Zesty'''</span>]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#3CB371">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 01:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
::::Oh, didn't know about Akari. That's pretty cool, thanks! Also, here's an article by a professional translator on this: http://legendsoflocalization.com/was-this-girl-in-pokemon-xy-originally-a-guy/ Looks like Tiddlywinks' interpretation of カラテおう is correct, if there was any remaining doubt (: [[User:Nazerine|Nazerine]] ([[User talk:Nazerine|talk]]) 17:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC) | ::::Oh, didn't know about Akari. That's pretty cool, thanks! Also, here's an article by a professional translator on this: http://legendsoflocalization.com/was-this-girl-in-pokemon-xy-originally-a-guy/ Looks like Tiddlywinks' interpretation of カラテおう is correct, if there was any remaining doubt (: [[User:Nazerine|Nazerine]] ([[User talk:Nazerine|talk]]) 17:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
For reference's sake (for staff and users alike), and for the benefit of anyone who might be tempted to remove the reference to the (possibly) transgender beauty trainer: it is ''not'' to be removed without my express say-so. This is something that deserves to be noted on, especially given its present across language versions. --[[User:Evil Figment|Evil Figment]] ([[User talk:Evil Figment|talk]]) 20:09, 20 December 2014 (UTC) | For reference's sake (for staff and users alike), and for the benefit of anyone who might be tempted to remove the reference to the (possibly) transgender beauty trainer: it is ''not'' to be removed without my express say-so. This is something that deserves to be noted on, especially given its present across language versions. --[[User:Evil Figment|Evil Figment]] ([[User talk:Evil Figment|talk]]) 20:09, 20 December 2014 (UTC) | ||