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:The difference there being that Pokémon like Ninetales and Bronzong are based on common Japanese legends and myths. Baragon is not a legend or a myth, it is a copyright character belonging to Toho Company Ltd. Secondly, the similarities are purely superficial, if that much. Baragon is a ''dinosaur/lizard'', Nidoking is a ''rodent'', Baragon can live underground, Nidoking can't live underground, Nidoking is part of a set of gender-counterparts, Nidoking secretes poison. My point is that any resemblance is more likely coincidental, and should not be used as the basis for the origin section. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 08:33, 1 July 2010 (UTC) | :The difference there being that Pokémon like Ninetales and Bronzong are based on common Japanese legends and myths. Baragon is not a legend or a myth, it is a copyright character belonging to Toho Company Ltd. Secondly, the similarities are purely superficial, if that much. Baragon is a ''dinosaur/lizard'', Nidoking is a ''rodent'', Baragon can live underground, Nidoking can't live underground, Nidoking is part of a set of gender-counterparts, Nidoking secretes poison. My point is that any resemblance is more likely coincidental, and should not be used as the basis for the origin section. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 08:33, 1 July 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::It's impossible to be a coincidence, Nidoking is practically a point-for-point cartoon drawing of Baragon. There is no other major kaiju, and certainly no real animal, resembling a big burly reptile with a horn on its nose, spines down its back, jutting fangs AND those big, floppy rodent-like ears, which are wholly unique among reptilian kaiju, and both monsters are tunnelers. Adding a poison aspect and gender dimorphism is the bare minimum to make it a legally distinct creature, and does not do so visually.[[User:Scythemantis|Scythemantis]] ([[User talk:Scythemantis|talk]]) 16:22, 25 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Well, copyright didn't stop them from creating [[Hamilton]], or basing Kadabra on Uri Geller (the entire Abra line is named directly after real people). They probably just wanted to create a Pokémon reminiscent of a highly recognizable kaiju from popular culture. Another example of low profile origin is Wobbuffet. I also think that Pokémon use a lot of syncretism. Golduck is based on a kappa, an amphibious human monster, but its ingame specie is ''Duck Pokémon'', Shiftry is based on a tengu, a bird-like monster, but it's a tree. They don't need to be exact copies of they original mythical creatures. So it isn't strange for a Baragon-like Pokémon line to have some rabbit features. And where is stated that Nidoking (or its preevolutions) is based on a rodent? I really can't find any direct reference from game or anime. Its similarity to rabbits, noted in the article, is as much referenced as its similiarity to Baragon. They are based only on its appearance (and to me Nidoking is way more dinosaurian than leporine). Also, Nidoking is in part Ground, so it wouldn't be so strange for him to be based on a monster that lives underground like Baragon. What to me look like evidence, for you is only a coincidence, but you are entitled to your opinion as much as I am and I don't want to seem too pedantic. I'm wondering what other Bulbapedians thinks about this. --[[User:Siegfried|Siegfried]] 09:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC) | ::Well, copyright didn't stop them from creating [[Hamilton]], or basing Kadabra on Uri Geller (the entire Abra line is named directly after real people). They probably just wanted to create a Pokémon reminiscent of a highly recognizable kaiju from popular culture. Another example of low profile origin is Wobbuffet. I also think that Pokémon use a lot of syncretism. Golduck is based on a kappa, an amphibious human monster, but its ingame specie is ''Duck Pokémon'', Shiftry is based on a tengu, a bird-like monster, but it's a tree. They don't need to be exact copies of they original mythical creatures. So it isn't strange for a Baragon-like Pokémon line to have some rabbit features. And where is stated that Nidoking (or its preevolutions) is based on a rodent? I really can't find any direct reference from game or anime. Its similarity to rabbits, noted in the article, is as much referenced as its similiarity to Baragon. They are based only on its appearance (and to me Nidoking is way more dinosaurian than leporine). Also, Nidoking is in part Ground, so it wouldn't be so strange for him to be based on a monster that lives underground like Baragon. What to me look like evidence, for you is only a coincidence, but you are entitled to your opinion as much as I am and I don't want to seem too pedantic. I'm wondering what other Bulbapedians thinks about this. --[[User:Siegfried|Siegfried]] 09:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:::''Basing'' something on another thing has no real meaning. You could take a Dragon Pokémon that we haven't already hunted down a possible origin for, and claim that it's related to nearly any myth related to a dragon, because the Pokémon is a dragon. That's also like when people make an OC for a fan fic or to draw. It's ''based'' off of the Pokémon series. So what? | :::''Basing'' something on another thing has no real meaning. You could take a Dragon Pokémon that we haven't already hunted down a possible origin for, and claim that it's related to nearly any myth related to a dragon, because the Pokémon is a dragon. That's also like when people make an OC for a fan fic or to draw. It's ''based'' off of the Pokémon series. So what? | ||
:::And I personally don't see any relation between Nidoking and Baragon. Yes, they both have a tail, and a horn, and they have large ears, but so does a jackalope. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 16:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC) | :::And I personally don't see any relation between Nidoking and Baragon. Yes, they both have a tail, and a horn, and they have large ears, but so does a jackalope. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 16:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::But a tail, a horn and large ears are not all they have in common. They have each and every single visual element in common, and that particular combination is seen in no other animal or kaiju, then to top it off they're both associated with burrowing. It's a clear-cut homage.[[User:Scythemantis|Scythemantis]] ([[User talk:Scythemantis|talk]]) 16:22, 25 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::Jackalope? Amazing idea! :-)<br>So Vulpix should be based on a fox? Please, people, be serious. It has several tails and is red all over? It could be easily a storybook!--[[User:Siegfried|Siegfried]] 17:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC) | ::::Jackalope? Amazing idea! :-)<br>So Vulpix should be based on a fox? Please, people, be serious. It has several tails and is red all over? It could be easily a storybook!--[[User:Siegfried|Siegfried]] 17:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC) | ||