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::[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 20:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC) | ::[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 20:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::Those quotes are very far apart and not explicitly (or necessarily reasonably) connected like you want to think they are. At the very least: when Zinnia says they were "always" together, that could easily be "always, since Aster was born", not "always, for '''my''' whole life". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 26 December 2015 (UTC) | :::Those quotes are very far apart and not explicitly (or necessarily reasonably) connected like you want to think they are. At the very least: when Zinnia says they were "always" together, that could easily be "always, since Aster was born", not "always, for '''my''' whole life". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:01, 26 December 2015 (UTC) | ||
If we're going to argue semantics, you wouldn't say "We were always together" when you're doing something with your baby daughter — the baby doesn't have a lot of choice on the matter. Zinnia does playfully refer to the current Aster as her daughter, but never to the deceased one (for that matter, it's never even stated whether the deceased Aster was a human, though Adventures went that way); that's a far bigger logic jump to make. I went ahead and edited Pokémon!Aster's blurb to make that clearer, since I noticed after commenting that the last talks on this page were almost a year old... [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC) | ::::If we're going to argue semantics, you wouldn't say "We were always together" when you're doing something with your baby daughter — the baby doesn't have a lot of choice on the matter. Zinnia does playfully refer to the current Aster as her daughter, but never to the deceased one (for that matter, it's never even stated whether the deceased Aster was a human, though Adventures went that way); that's a far bigger logic jump to make. I went ahead and edited Pokémon!Aster's blurb to make that clearer, since I noticed after commenting that the last talks on this page were almost a year old... [[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 21:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::::I don't see that it's important that the baby ''have'' any any choice in the matter for someone to reasonably word it "We were always together". If I had a child and I raised her and cared for her every day and then—let's say she got sick and died. I wouldn't have any problem at all saying "We were always together" about that. | |||
:::::You also say she refers to the current (Whismur) Aster as her daughter, but that's plainly ridiculous: a Pokemon can't be her daughter. Either it's 1) affectionate, or 2) there's more going on, and a bunch of other clues point very strongly to "2": Zinnia had a daughter who Aster the Whismur occasionally acts as a stand-in for. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
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